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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > With all of this Raptor/Tiger ad thing goin on...
 
 
Billy Zimmerman
Key Veteran
Location: Rainier Oregon

how bout' them whitesox? sweeping the astros in the series

Raptor 90 SE YS91,Tiger50 OS50 Hyper, Vblades, OS&YS engines, Hitec Eclipse7
10-30-2005 Over year old.
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solidsnake
Senior Heliman
Location: Piscataway NJ, USA.

Some people don't see the value in having competition. The raptor is a great heli but it has some faults. I have two 50 v2 and Im ready to buy another 50, but it most likely won't be a raptor. Im ready to try something different and the tiger looks very appealing right now.

I'll try the tiger 50 first before saying anything good or bad about it, thats what some people won't do.
10-30-2005 Over year old.
 
 
jvanscoyk
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Funny that the same attitudes I see here about the Raptor are the same ones I see at the flying field.
The Raptor is obviously a good machine otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them flying.
Seems to me that some Raptor owners are so blinded by their loyalty to their machines that they will not even give something else a fair shake.
Some Raptor guys just need to relax and check out the competition. Heck, they might like what they find.

Jim

must go faster, must go faster.........
10-30-2005 Over year old.
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RCHeliJim
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Location: Orem, UT USA

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Seems to me that some Raptor owners are so blinded by their loyalty to their machines that they will not even give something else a fair shake.


Yep, unfortunately the Hirobo guys do this too. People gotta give other helis a chance and a try. Heck, I think its part of the fun in this hobby to build and fly different machines.



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
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10-30-2005 Over year old.
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jbeech
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Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Fellas, I never meant to stir up a hornet's nest with my adverts, but the Raptor is the number one helicopter in the market and the first rule of advertising, i.e. Advertising 101, is promote to those who don't have your product. Frankly, I'd like to offer a different series of averts for the Audacity Forum, but this isn't as easy as you might think. Hence, you also get the same adverts we create for the fellows on the Thunder Tiger forum. I apologize.

By the way, somebody took the Audacity name for his own use and posted a thread which Mark's already moved (and I didn't even complain about it so somebody must have). If you'd like to get a giggle, surf to the thread by a fellow who didn't use his name

With reference to the first picture, has ANY Tiger 50 owner broken his frame here?


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
10-30-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Billy Zimmerman
Key Veteran
Location: Rainier Oregon

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With reference to the first picture, has ANY Tiger 50 owner broken his frame here?

Last Summer, I smacked my Tiger full throttle inverted into the dirt and I mean she hit HARD! No frame damage whatsoever, only broke the usual things like boom,blades,supports,spindle,mainshaft, a couple of mixing levers, only ended up being around 40 bucks or so. Similarly, I did the same thing to my Raptor last summer and broke the frame in 3 big pieces, completely totalling the raptor. That is just my experiences, I think the Tiger is just fine with the frame design and material.

Raptor 90 SE YS91,Tiger50 OS50 Hyper, Vblades, OS&YS engines, Hitec Eclipse7
10-30-2005 Over year old.
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Learn to Fly
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Location: Yalesville Connecticut

Helis brands are like car brands. Ford, Chevy. They are BOTH very good cars. Neither is better. One just suit ones needs better than the other. Does this make it better NO.

Coke vs Pepsi...same argument.

I dont really like when a company bashes another company. Point out the facts-pros about your product and hope they stand out, and hope that the customer understands what you are saying, and dont bash the other one. Leave it up to the customer to decide.

I like Audacity, but it turned me off when I saw them bashing the Raptor( which is a great heli hands down no questions asked, ask Alan Szabo what he flys?!?!?!?

I believe this type of advertising will turn off the Raptor guy that was thinking of getting a Tiger in the future.

Just my opinion, but they are like Butt holes, Everyone has one and they usually STINK!!!!

I am on Tiger #2 so dont think I dont like the Tiger.


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
10-31-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

I destroyed a frame set this weekend. Well I destroyed a whole heli...It was cheaper to buy a new kit.

I know of two other that have wrecked a frame.

I was 15 feet of the ground, in normal mode...I lost it in the sun.


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
10-31-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Heli Bashing!!!!

I haven't really seen or heard of "real" rappy bashing coming from the Tiger guys and gals....
I have seen a bunch of differences pointed out.... and that is not a bad thing... it is good to educate the public....
As far as Alan goes, he could fly pretty much anything and make it look good.... his "choice" is TT, and Curtis uses JR..... and again, his choice...
What a lot of people seem to forget is that there are other machines out there, and they mostly all fly fine, and even better if a good pilot is on the sticks.... but there really is more then one make.... and from what I have seen mostly, is that guys that have only flown one type/brand are happy with them, but sometimes forget that there are newer and better ways of doing things at times....
And as far as breaking side frame.... YES, I have.... I am on my 3rd set... but keep in mind that I have broken frame sets on my Evo, Freya (as witnessed in the Rochester auto event!!!) Raptor, and even a few metal ones..... it all depends on what direction you are going when you hit.... they will all break if you try hard enough!!!
There are followeres, there are leaders, and then there are the guys and gals that MAKE THE PATHS!!!!! And I like to build things...
Good Luck, Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
10-31-2005 Over year old.
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Who is choosing who in the sponsorship game?

Last I heard money does the talking in that world.

"Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
10-31-2005 Over year old.
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HUTCH964
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Location: Taylor,Texas USA ****** <;))))))><******

Stan

Thanks for the Honesty !

If you want to get better @ flying you will need to stick to 1 brand of Heli !!!
If people keep switching around & going from 1 brand to the next then the Learning Curve will be a BIG CURVE..I don't care if you guy's fly a t50 or a R50 even a jr or hirobo.... You just gotta stick with 1 brand until your ready to move on... t50 or not.

Come on John B. you know people are breaking the frame on the t50 I'm sure your sales reflect that well !



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Tim
10-31-2005 Over year old.
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hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

I think a set of Tiger 50 frames are $35 and last I heard they don't break in flight.

"Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
10-31-2005 Over year old.
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

11 frame sales so far while closing in on 600 registered owners. Tiger 50 frames are tough my friend. In two years with my own Tiger 50, just over 2000 flights, and 21 crashes, there have been two frames broken. And one of those was field repaired with liquid frame (JB Weld) so I could keep it flying. In fact, I only recently changed it out because a fellow at a fun fly queried me about it not looking professional - but it's still prefectly servicable (although not particularly pretty).

The very first frame exchange wasn't really a break though it rendered the frame's use questionable. Beresford Davis slam dunked the Tiger on the first flight with a new G3 receiver at Blacksheep in SC. That frame had been crashed many, many times! I replaced it because the upper main shaft bearing seat was stressed because the heli went in inverted at a very high rate of speed. if you know Beast, ask him how hard the Tiger hit.

The second break, a real break, was from a violent crash in front of God and Country (and more than a few in the peanut gallery) while my friend Pete Campbell was at the sticks performing a demo flight for me during the East Coast Extreme event lin CT. Pete was performing his trademark under 6 foot of altitude piro-flips (entirely too close to the ground in my view, but he does them all the time and is pretty darn good at it) during the failing light around 6:30 in the evening. Anyway, all he said was, "Oops!", a split second before a big time cloud of Connecticut dust rose to obscure the crash site. So the liquid frame repair was effected that evening in CT . . . and it held just fine until it let go in flight at a fun fly in Sacramento, CA.

So I fixed it again in CA, but this time I stripped the insulation off some copper wire and wrapped it around the break and put liquid frame on it again. And that same repaired frame was slam dunked big time by Robbie Haas of Tulsa, OK (ask him if it was a hard crash if you know him) at a fun fly in MO a few weeks ago . . . and the frame didn't break then either - though it did take out two gear sets, a receiver, and a set of very tough V-Blades as well as the usual boom, shaft, etc. And that's the very first time a crash has taken out gear sets other than once before on a S9243 tail rotor servo.

Of course I'm not claiming Tiger 50 frames are indestructible - so yes, I went too far when I asked if ANY Tiger 50 owners had broken them - but I promise you this, Tiger 50 frames are very, very tough and I bet we don't sell nearly as many as other brands do per crash. Look, I own a Raptor, I know they're pretty tough birds too, but I also know Raptor frames break at the ears in front (where the front landing gear bolts on) and sometimes even in a whimpy crash! For that very reason there's a carbon plate frame reinforcement upgrade available (though that makes engine removal more of a pain in the rear, of course) for the Raptor.

So there you have my most honest 2¢


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
10-31-2005 Over year old.
 
 
HUTCH964
Key Veteran
Location: Taylor,Texas USA ****** <;))))))><******

John
Yes I met Beast @ Birmingham last year He likes to do that to his Fury’s too and they didn‘t fare as well as the t50 you said he put in!

One day I’m sure I will get the chance to fly/crash a t50 ! @ a local fun fly next year? Not my own though!

And to be fare I know a few people that run the R50 with out the base plate and have not broken their frames in crashes! I have busted the frames on my 2 R50’s So I guess it all depends on the Heli goes in,
1 was a Mid Air @ Birmingham Beast was there & 1 was a sideways down THUD?


John quit it your teasing me!
Even in a wimpy crash come on … LOL


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Tim
10-31-2005 Over year old.
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doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Hutch!!!!!!!

I am beginning to wonder if Hutch is looking to get his hands on his very own Tiger 50!!!!! Hell, you have been hanging onto this forum all day... by now I would have thought JB would have been on the horn to you and getting your order placed and ready for shippment.....


It is not bad being the first in your area to show the guys something new...!!!! So go ahead Hutch.... place that order!!!! (LOL again)

Oh and by the way, I did visit the TT forum earlier today just to see what was going on, and there are a lot of people on that forum that just do not have a sense of humor...... this is a hobby..... and some should remember that..... I'm glad I don't have a rappy, just so I don't have to go back to that site!!!!

Keep those fires burning boys!!!!!

Oh, and Hutch, if that is your field on your gallery, it really looks as if it sucks!!!! And I want to move back toTX just so I can fly there!!!! Do you do both heli and plank????

SEEYA, Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
10-31-2005 Over year old.
 
 
HUTCH964
Key Veteran
Location: Taylor,Texas USA ****** <;))))))><******

Stan LOL!

I do have glider but haven't touched it much in the last 5yrs.! Couple of Zagi's I still fly.. 1 R50, 1 R90, ! Predator Gasser Camera Ship.
We have a new better field now that Buddy of mine bought some property near by..Thanks Mike! I will have new Pictures of that field soon.

Stan
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Oh and by the way, I did visit the TT forum earlier today just to see what was going on, and there are a lot of people on that forum that just do not have a sense of humor...... this is a hobby..... and some should remember that..... I'm glad I don't have a rappy, just so I don't have to go back to that site!!!!

That is what I think about some of your fellow t50 owners..

JB ? Oh John Beech I thought you meant JB Weld as I hear that it is the Cure all for the t50 !

The Only "JB Weld" I have used on my R50 is on the Boom Support End's!

Move Back to Texas Stan so I can try out the t50... Before I order 1


It is good talking to you Stan as you know this is all apart of the SPORT!




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Tim
10-31-2005 Over year old.
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Tim, you were one of guys with the mid-air at David's event??? I heard about it (that it was awesome, actually). Since you're old pals with Stan, you must be a good guy even if you do own a Rappy

Frankly, I've been taking some heat on the TT forum from folks who never learned advertising 101 (advertise to potential owners of your product). After all, what larger base of potential owners than Rappy owners? By the way, I too own a Raptor - seems like somebody would have twigged to by now, else how would I know where my Tiger 50 matchs up against the Raptor so well? And, in fact, I actually think the Raptor is a pretty decent helicopter . . . but I also happen to think it's showing its age (released to the market in 1998). Can you imagine if Honda were still selling 1998 Accords for crying out loud? Toyota would clean their clock! Anyway, there''s no denying the Raptor is getting long in tooth (look at the keen interest in the CCPM Raptor threads over the years) and of course, the Raptor really isn't aging like a fine wine (though I 'have' been hearing quite a lot of whine) recently over our advertising campaign.

Anyway, I've enjoyed the witty exchange with you because you obviously you say what's on your mind, but not in the mean spirited way others have. I'm with Stan on this, some folks take this entirely too seriously . . . some have e-mailed me death threats, called me names I won't repeat in public, threatened to stomp me (and my helis) if I ever show up at their fun fly etc., etc., etc. Frankly, that gets tiresome after a while since the imbiciles never even have the courage to sign their names.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
11-01-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

I owned a Raptor 50 and have set up and flown a Tiger 50 for a friend. Both machines are great to own specially for beginners.
If I were sponsored by any of the machines, I would call the specific brand a better flying machine.
As a private hobbyist, and from experience, both machines are great to own.
11-01-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

John,
I havent owned a T50 nor will I, For starters they are too small.. But I agree some of the "kids" are whining quite hard... I wonder what they do when they are looking in the phone book or worse reading the paper.. Oh wait I forgot, kids today dont read the paper..

I think your advert is smart, even if I dont like the heli lol... Like you said, you dont advert to the ppl who own your merchandise you advert to possible customers..

Me I just skip over them

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and KBDD teams
11-01-2005 Over year old.
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rob10000
Key Veteran
Location: Western Massachusettes

John, you make it sound like TT has never made changes to their machines since they came out.
Here's what's happened since 1998.
1) 50V1 introduced.
2) 30 and 50 V2 introduced
3) 50 SE released.

Between these major events, TT has continued to release real upgrades to existing problems.
1) Plastic or metal fittings at the ends of the boom supports to replace the fatique-prone ones you pointed out earlier.
2) Stainless steel tail rotor hubs to finally eliminate the problem of thrown tail rotor grips.
3) inexpensive white and green light weight paddles that in most peoples mind outperform $30 carbon ones.


Of course there are other upgrades, but their worth is hard to verify. For instance, the new V2 plastic frames that are now standard on all 30/50 Raptors.
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