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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > caliper 30 ems setup
 
 
merlin2201
Heliman
Location: Kinston N.C.

when i got my caliper i set it up mms and i went great no problems now im setting it up on ems and i dont have but -5 pitch with +10 im not getting my 20 degrees of movement and i cant get my pitch right im useing a futaba t7chp transmitter if you know how its suposed to bee set up let me know please
10-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Rappie_uk
Heliman
Location: south-east u.k

Try increasing the swash afr pitch setting on your radio.

Joe

T-Rex,Mega16/15/4,CC35,sbec-5v,4xHs56,Gy401,FutabaPcm,4sTp2000,Align alu head and home made eccpm
10-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

I wrote this in a post I made about a year ago, when I was helping another fellow set up his CCPM/EMS Caliber. It's long, but straight forward, and has pictures.

One thing I've found is that with JR servos, the three push rods provided for the servo to aileron and elevator control are a few mm short, due to a slightly different placement of the servo output shaft when compared to Futaba servos. Those three links seem to have been designed for a Futaba installation. This usually doesn't represent a problem. After you get the thing set up and flying, it might be a good idea to eventually replace those three push rods with some that are a bit longer. Chris at RC Heliworks either has, or soon will have, a set of adjustable push rods for the Caliber. Check them out some day.

If you have trouble getting the servos to move in the correct direction with the CCPM/EMS setup, read my next post to this thread. It contains a generic 120 degree swash setup procedure.

If you have the servos moving the correct direction, read on:

First, with a LINEAR pitch curve, set the collective stick in its mid-range position. The swashplate should be centered in its mechanical range of travel. It should be able to move up as much as it can move down. The pitch CURVE is at 50% at this setting, you are in the middle of your collective curve. All trims and subtrims are at zero (neutral).

At this setting, your three EMS/eCCPM servo arms MUST look like this:



All arms are pependicular to the servo sides (and servo tray sides). A line connecting the balls on the two outer servo arms will pass over the center of the screws holding those arms on.

This setup will give you full servo travel in each direction and will eliminate any differential input caused by arms not being centered in their travel. You may have to try different arms and different rotations of each arm on the servo until you get the arm centered. Due to the design of the splines on the shaft and arm, there is only ONE orienation where the arm will be correctly positioned. The distance between the center of the output shaft and the center of the ball should be 10 to 11 mm.

Next, look at the two bellcranks mounted on each side of the heli, as well as the vertical one between the side frames. The long arm of the "L" shaped bellcrank should be horizontal at the zero degree setting, and with all trims and subtrims at neutral. Look at his picture:



Also, note the location of the ball link on all three bellcranks. For the EMS/eCCPM setup, the balls go in the LOWER of the two holes, not the upper hole. Also, the bellcrank between the side frames is vertical at this setting. You will also see that the swashplate is LEVEL at this setting, when viewed from ANY direction.

You may want to remove the self-tapping sheet metal-type screws that hold the two "L" bellcranks on the side of the heli, and replace them with longer 3mm socket head cap screws. The screws should be long enough to go through the mounting boss and frame side, allowing you to put a nylon locking hex screw on its end, on the inside of the frames. This will keep those arms in place, even during a bad crash.

Next, move up to the head. This picture shows the linkages up top for the zero degree pitch setting, all trims and subtrims at neutral.



Pay close attention to the location of the balls on the mixing levers in this photo. Make sure you are using the correct holes. Both flybar levers are parallel to each other, parallel to the paddles, and horizontal at this setting. Both main rotor blades, when measured with a pitch gauge, are at Zero degrees pitch.

Next, here is a picture of the overall main mast with the servos and controls set for zero degrees pitch:



The washout levers are horizontal. With this mechanical setup, at zero degrees of pitch, every arm, bellcrank, and mixing lever is at their optimum position -- and you will get as much travel in one direction as you will in the other direction. You should be able to achieve at least + and -11 degrees of pitch with this setup, and if you are lucky, maybe get + and -12 degrees overall travel.

You may notice in my pics that there are two 1/8th inch wheel collars on my flybar. I have mechanically centered the flybar, and mechanically centered the paddles. The whee collars are used to achieve a balanced flybar by disconnecting all ball links that might affect the flybar, then sliding the collars back and forth till the flybar balances. The setscrews are tightened using a dab of blue loctite (loctite 242). The wheel collars are visible in this photo of one of my Calibers:



Also, check your swashplate phase adjustment. There are two ways to do this. The one from the manual assumes that you have the stock swashplate that has balls for the non-EMS (non-eCCPM, balls at 90 degrees), and balls for the EMS (eCCPM, balls at 120 degrees) setup. The manual suggests rotating the phase ring and slide block to align the flybar such that the inner and outer 90 degree balls on the swash are lined up with each other, and that the flybar is also lined up with those balls.

A second, and much easier test would be to rotate head so that the flybar is oriented front to back, parallel to the tail boom. The rotor blades will be sticking out to each side of the heli. Turn on your radio, and move the elevator control only (fore/aft cyclic stick) while watching the flybar paddles. If the phase adjustment is correct, fore/aft control inputs will NOT cause the paddles to tilt. Adjust the phase ring to achieve this setting.

At this point, you should be mechanically setup correctly. Start out with your swash AFR settings at the recommended -65/-65/+65 setting. Most likely the ONLY number you will have to mess with beyond this initial setting is the PITCH setting (that +65 number). I found I had to increase that number to achieve my desired overall travel of +/- 12 degrees pitch.

Use an accurate pitch gauge to set your various pitch curves. The AFR settings remain untouched, and the desired pitch curve is set by tweaking the curve setting for each of the five points on your curve.

The mechanical setup will remove unwanted interaction between the roll and elevator controls.

Give this setup a try. It sounds a bit complicated at first, but it is the recommended setup per the Caliber manual. The heli, when set up following these instructions is extremely controllable.

The only expo I fly in my Calibers is some on the tail rotor because the Caliber TR is one of the most powerful and responsive TR's I've seen in a heli, of any size.

Hope this gets you in the air with your Caliber.

Dave
10-11-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Generic 120 degree CCPM swash control setup:

It's based on a JR radio -- as far as channel assignments, but for whatever brand radio -- the receiver plugs are labeled Aileron, Elevator, and collective pitch is usually the AUX 1 channel.

Typical 120 degree CCPM Setup:

Plug your servos into the correct channel on the RX. You have three servos controlling the swashplate. One connects to either the front or the rear of the swash, the other two are 120 degrees apart, on either side of the heli's centerline.

The servo connnected to the ball that is in-line with the heli centerline (either fore, or aft of the MR shaft) is the "Elevator" servo, and plugs into the ELEVATOR channel of your RX (in a JR system the servo plugs into RX channel 3).

One of the remaining servos that controls one "side" of the swashplate (it doesn't really matter at this point) plugs into the Aileron channel of the RX (RX Channel 2 for a JR system).

The third servo which drives the other "side" of the swashplate plugs into the PITCH channel of the RX, generally the AUX 1 channel (channel 6 in a JR system).

Select the 120 degree swash CCPM mix in your 9X. Set all trim settings to zero, no trim in any direction.

Ignore the direction of the servos for now.

Two servos in CCPM mix tilt the swash left and right. All three servos tilt the swashplate fore and aft.

Go to your servo reversing menu.

The two servos that tilt the swashplate for left and right will be the servos plugged into the aileron and pitch (auxiliary 1, probably) channel.

Using the servo reversing function, make these two servos move such that if you command a left turn, one moves up, the other moves down. Don't worry if they don't seem to move the correct direction, just make sure that they go in opposite directions when you move the stick left and right.

Now, move the stick for fore/aft cyclic. The servo connected to the elevator channel on the RX needs to have its direction set so that when the pitch and aileron servo move UP together, the elevator servo moves down (and when the elevator servo moves up, the other two move down). Use the elevator reversing function to make this happen.

Now you have the aileron and pitch servo moving in opposite directions for left and right stick, and you have the aileron and pitch servo moving in the same direction as each other, but in opposite direction of the elevator servo for the fore/aft function.

Don't touch the reversing switches again. Leave them where they are.

Go to the swash mix menu -- the one that lets you set the aileron, pitch, and elevator mix percentages.

Move the stick left and right. If the swashplate moves in the correct direction, the aileron mix is OK. If the swash tilts left when you command right (backwards from the stick), then reverse the "polarity" of your aileron mix number. If you have +65 selected, change it to -65 (and if you have -65 selected, change it to + 65). Changing from "+" to "-" (or "-" to "+") reverses the aileron direction in a CCPM setup. The actual VALUE of the number increases (bigger number) or decreases (smaller number) the amount of travel you get from the associated function.

Move the stick forward. If the swash tilts in the correct direction, fine. If the swash tilts the wrong direction (back when you command forward, for example), change the "polarity" of the elevator function -- if you have "-65" set, change it to "+65" ( and vice versa). This reverses the fore/aft cyclic function in a CCPM setup.

Move the throttle stick full open. You should get more positive pitch (leading edges of the blades tilt up). If the collective pitch is backwards (you get negative pitch when you command full positive) then reverse the "polarity" of the pitch mix -- if you have it set to "-65", set it to "+65" (and vice versa). This is how you reverse the pitch function in a CCPM setup.

Playing musical chairs with the servo reversing function at the same time you mess around with the swash mix will drive you nuts.

With a linear 0 to 100% pitch curve, set your collective stick to its midway setting (middle). The three servo arms controlling the swash should be in the middle of their travel range. Due to the way the splines on the servo shafts are designed, you'll have to try different positions of the servo arms on the shaft to achieve this. In addition, you may also need to mess with sub trim to get the servo centered with the collective at its midpoint. The arms are either going to be horizontal or vertical, depending upon servo arrangement.

The swash should be horizontal, and perpendicular to the MR shaft. Adjust the pushrods supporting the swashplate to make this happen.

At this setting, your blades should have ZERO pitch, the washout arms and the pitch mixing levers should be horizontal. Adjust pushrods to achieve this setting. The pushrods up on the head generally go in pairs. Make each pushrod in a pair the same length -- follow the helicopter build instructions to get the proper length of each pair of pushrods.

The swash should be in the middle of its up and down travel distance at this setting. Adjust the pushrods supporting the swashplate to achieve this setting.

So, with a linear pitch curve, at mid collective, the swash is level, the servo arms are in the middle of their travel range, the washout and pitch mixing levers are horizontal, the swash is in the middle of its travel range and the blade pitch is zero degrees (check both blades and adjust as necessary).

At this point you can select the various flight modes you are going to use and customize your pitch curve settings to match the flight mode.

If you need more overall pitch travel, increase the value of the number in the PITCH mix menu for the CCPM swash setting. If you need less overall pitch travel, decrease the value of the number in the PITCH mix menu for the CCPM swash setting.

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TR setup:

At neutral, and neutral trim, the servo arm for the TR is vertical, in the middle of its travel. The bellcrank at the rear is 90 degrees to the tail boom as shown in the manual.

As for the RUDDER setup, on the Caliber when you command a RIGHT turn (will make the NOSE of the heli turn to the right), the servo must PULL the TR pushrod forward, toward the nose of the heli.

For Left turn, the TR servo must push the TR pushrod toward the rear of the heli.

Once you have the servo moving the correct direction, hook up the gyro. Pick up the heli and turn the nose to the LEFT while watching the TR servo arm. The gyro must command a ROGHT turn, pulling the TR pushrod forward, toward the nose. If it is backwards, and if the gyro has a reversing switch, change the direction of travel here. Go back and make sure the rudder stick still moves the servo in the correct direction.

Looking at the heli from its right side, nose to your right, tail boom to your left, the TR assembly turns COUNTER CLOCKWISE.
10-11-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Adjusting the pitch mix in the swash menu will bump up the overall pitch range, but won't do anything about the fact that you have different amounts of positive and negative pitch. Go through the setups above and you will be able to get equal amounts of + and - pitch. Then use the pitch mix setting in the swash menu to get the total overall amount. +/- 11 degrees should be easy, and with a little work, +/- 12 is achievable.

Dave
10-11-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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