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e-E-Flite Blade CP mCX CX 400-3D > Questions from a non experienced pilot
 
 
Uncivil
Heliman
Location: Tulsa Ok

I have been involved with RC for quite a while but most of what I have done would be onroad and off road racing. From time to time I have flown airplanes but definately with no sort of proficiency.

I have read and re-read through the manual and browsed through the fourms and picked up quite a bit of into. I see quite a few "technical" terms I am not familiar with. If someone could point me into a direction of where to find out exactly what nose in and out hovering and such would be I may be able to pick up a bit more knowledge. Also I am not sure if my chopper is properly setup. Most of what the manual addresses is the rotation of the tail. Well that was off and I got it fixed. I notice as the battery goes down it will start to spin to the right. I can fix that with some of the left stick. I definately feel most comfortable with it facing away from me. I really am in no hurry for forward flight and all that stuff. It will come to me when it does. Of course at my stage of flying its all a fight but aside from tail rotation and CG how do I know if its properly setup? One thing I seem to be fighting is a right handed lean it has. When I have it up in a hover it seems like it is leaning to the right. So of course it wants to drift to the right. for a steady (kinda) hover I find myself pulling back and to the left on the right stick. Not much but just a constant pressure.

Any help would be appreciated.
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
929pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Jackson, OH

Nose in means heli is facing you, tail in heli is facing away. Everone learns tail in then works up to nose in. Side ways also take practice.

You should use the trims (those little ratchet/slider buttons beside your sticks) to trim the heli to hover hands off. Or at least as close as you can get to hands off. Small electric helis don't really do that well but my nitro helis will sit still for several seconds if trimmed properly and no wind.
09-24-2005 Over year old.
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stealth916
Veteran
Location: Rocklin, CA

Which way does your tail rotor blow? If it blows to the left, that explains the Right drift. It's called the 'translating tendency' and is normal.

However, if your tail rotor blows to the right like most RC helis, then it you may have too much Right trim in, either on the radio or mechanically. Some heli manuals will have you setup a little right lean in the swash to compensate for the tail translating tendency (the tail rotor blowing sideways tends to move the heli in the opposite sideways direction) - you may have too much.

I like to set my swash up level - because it will need to be later for FF and 3D. I prefer to deal with the translating tendency naturally by flying the heli.

Good luck!

9-26-05 EDIT I had my left & right backwards in this post above !!! Anyhow hopefully I and others have gotten the point across :-)
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Uncivil
Heliman
Location: Tulsa Ok

Ok thanks. But what about the actual physical lean on the heli to the right when viewing it from the rear in hover.
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Gary Hoorn
Key Veteran
Location: Annapolis Maryland USA

A slight lean to the right is normal on a Heli with a rotor that rotates clockwise. A Heli with a rotor rotating counter-clockwise will lean to the left slightly. You normally don't see too much of it unless you are flying in wind still conditions but it is perfectly normal and we all get used to it
Gary
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
stealth916
Veteran
Location: Rocklin, CA

Yes - the lean is normal - as the heli must compensate for the drift mentioned from the tail rotor :-) It is usually only noticeable in hover, and like Gary said - it is one of the first things you get used to.

It is also one of the first things a heli instructor would teach you - even the virtual one in the Real Flight sim. I sure miss that virtual guy, he apparently taught me a hell of a lot - and I can swear here and now that the $150 I spent on the sim saved me at least $3000 and perhaps more in crash parts.
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Uncivil
Heliman
Location: Tulsa Ok

It seems to have developed a heavy vibration. I have changed the main blades out with no improvement. Any suggestions on where to look?
09-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
c mark smith
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt Vernon, Indiana

Check the runout nof the mainnshaft at the upper end of the control mechanism

likely it is bent from a blade strike.

the only parts that can offer much vibration is the blades and if changing them out didn't help, the mounting must be the problem


I carefully bend it back after deciding which direction it is bent,,,,,,

haven't replaced a shaft/gear yet,,,,,,,,,,
09-24-2005 Over year old.
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Uncivil
Heliman
Location: Tulsa Ok

Well I did bend the spindle. Thanks for the help. I am sure that is the part you was talking about.
09-26-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Balance
Senior Heliman
Location: Rapid City, SD, USA

"Left skid low"

Or in the case of RC Helis:

"Right skid low"

Real full size American helicopters' mains rotate counter-clockwise, and the tail rotor thrust is to the left. The tail rotor in a helicopter serves one purpose only: to counteract torque created by the engine turning the main rotor. As torque increases (more throttle/collective), a greater tail rotor pitch is required to counteract and prevent the heli from yawing. This thrust to the left will cause a helicopter to "translate" to the right in relation to the ground. In order to counter this "translating tendancy," the cyclic must be rigged to lean the heli to the left in a hover. This will cause the machine to hover with the left skid lower than the right in calm conditions. Some helis are built with cyclic rigging (cyclic trimmed for correct hover), while some are built with the mainshaft actually leaning left physically, and still others simply need to be piloted to counter the translating tendency. Pilots flying real American helis refer to this hovering characteristic as "Left skid low."

All these things are opposite in machines from other countries, and in our RC machines, where the mains rotate clockwise, and tail thrust is to the right, but all the same principles apply. The machine needs to be trimmed with a little right cyclic input in hover to counter tail thrust. Some computer radios offer the added benefit of programming an offset to center this trim when the radio is switched to a different flight mode, but the small amount of right trim needed to hover easily is hardly noticed in forward flight. I cannot speak for the difference felt when flying aerobatics and 3D.

Now, let's make it more confusing: If you were to hover your machine in a steady 5-10 mph crosswind blowing from the left of your machine, then the heli would hover nearly level to the ground. Reverse the direction of the wind, by turning yourself and your machine around in the same wind, so it is blowing from the right, and the heli will lean twice as much. The question is, does any of this change the translating tendency or the aggregate amount of cyclic correction you need to make? NO! It only changes the attitude of the machine in relation to you and the ground. The machine knows no different. Think of it this way. If you are flying 0 mph (in relation to the ground) in a 10 mph headwind, how fast is the bird flying? Put an airespeed indicator on it, and it would read 10 mph. Groundspeed means nothing. If the wind increased to 20 mph, and you were to maintain the 10 mph airspeed, then the machine would actually be moving backwards in relation to the ground, and still flying FORWARD at 10 mph.

The point of all this is that you have to train your brain to think in terms of airspeed only. Flying is a different 3D world than we are accustomed to with our feet on the ground. When the helicopter is leaning to the right, it is simply hovering with a slight sidewind. That wind from the side is created by the pilot who wishes to keep the machine in one place in relation to the ground by countering tail thrust.

Enjoy. You are doing it correctly, RIGHT SKID LOW!!!

B

KIS, don't MIC
09-27-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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