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JR Heli Vibe - Airskipper - Sylphide - Venture > I need some good V30CP advice
 
 
flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

To all,

I am working my way back into the r/c heli hobby after a three year hiatus. My last heli was a Robbe (then Schluter) Futura that I was comfortable doing all the basic stuff like forward flight, autos, basic loops, rolls, 540 turns. I never got into 3D, but now I want something that will get me back while keeping the budget in check.

I am looking at the Venture 30CP, but I don't want the 30-size engine (I recently flew a buddy's Rap 50 around and loved the power), so I read a previous thread about how to convert the 30CP using Ergo 46/50 parts. My questions are as follows:

1. Is it expected that JR will come out with a "true" conversion kit to make the 30 into a 50?
2. Does anyone have any experience using longer blades/boom (from the Ergo 46/50) and how they auto? (and how it affects the already tail-heavy 30CP)
3. Is anyone making metal upgrades for the 30CP?
4. For pure sport flying (3D included), does anyone like the Hitec Eclipse 7, if so, what servos should be used, and will the JR gyros "plug-and-play" with the Hitec radio.
5. I currently have a Futaba 6X series radio for my planes, but with only a 3-pt throttle and pitch curve, I think I'm limited on my set-up (hence question #4) for helis. DO I REALLY NEED at least 5 points for each curve?

Thanks,
Sam Swift
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Raptor50Flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: TN

Hey Sam, Its Ben
I just got a Venture yesterday. I haven't flown it yet but it is pretty nice. I am using a Hitec Eclipse 7 with all of my heli's and it works out perfectly. It has the 5 point pitch and throttle curves. I would definately recommend the 5 points, it makes for a much smoother machine. I don't know about the conversion kit, but I imagine they will come out with it soon.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Hey Ben!!

Good to hear from you. I forgot you were on here. How's "the Lobby" treating you?

I'm really impressed with the looks of the Venture, and being a true southerner, I want power. I really like the looks of the mechanics of the V30CP. I want to get back into this and go whole hog with the 3D, but I am pretty ignorant on how they hold up.

Do you guys have the Eclipse in stock, or would Steve have to special order it?

Sam
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Raptor50Flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: TN

Hey man,

We have them in stock. This looks to be a very rugged machine. I'll be testing it out tonight. I think it'll hold up to the extra power.. Thats what I'm planning too . I'm gonna run it first with the os 32 and see how it does.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Ben,

How is the head dampened? Is it a solid axle? One O-ring or two?? Just curious. Also, I know that it doesn't have any thrust bearings in the head, it sure would help if it had those, too.

Sam
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Raptor50Flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: TN

I know it is a solid axle, but I'm not sure of the o- rings. I haven't had a very good chance to look that deeply at the rotor head. I will definately check everything out though and let you know. It sure would help to have thrust bearings in the head, although just from the feel of it, it should be smooth. Oh and when I say I'm gonna check it out..... I mean really ring it out to see what it will do.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!
08-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Ben,

Let me know about the head. If I'm gonna get back into it, and start working on the 3D stuff, I'd really like a stiff head. I'm not concerned about having a rock solid hover with a mushy head, I want it rather firm.

I kick myself everyday now for selling my Futura setup a few years back.

I'll give you a shout later this week if I remember.

sam
09-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
AGRAV8
rrProfessor
Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

Food for thought

I have a Venture CP, and can help on a couple of points you brought up.

Yes, JR will be coming out with a 46 conversion kit for the Venture. Actually, the ERGO 46 conversion has the stuff you need. I went a little more TEXAN on this.....I had a century 50 sized engine mount for a hawk, had to slot the mounting holes in the frame to use it (the one for the ergo would direct bolt up it appears) but I shoehorned an OS 46 into the stock Venture. Put a Raptor 50 TT pipe on it, and LIT IT UP.

The head is straight shaft, no thrust bearings. KSJ for the ergo went right in. I did this after 2 tanks.....had a bearing seal blow out on the bladeholder. $27 at your LHS. money well spent.

Here's a couple of other issues I had in the first 2 tanks........heads up fella's......I am sure it ain't just my luck....
Blade covering seperation on the tips of the stock blades. Got a replacement set, compliments of my LHS. Run a bead of thin ZAP on the outer edges of the blades at the tip, hit with the ZIP KICKER and they MIGHT stay in place.
Fuel tank outlet stopper: I run Coolpower 30% heli, left some in the main tank for 2 days, went to refuel and had a major leak at the stopper. It has disintegrated......and was a challenge to remove. Replaced it with the one for the ergo....looks like the vigor setup, scaled down. Will report back if it doesn't hold up.
Other than those common fallacies of the manual being right with setup...it has been quite a machine so far. It WILL haul the freight with that 46. An OS 50???????/ look out. I stayed with the original boom. Might suffer a bit with an auto....besides, the tail goes with the engine, so shorter blades ain't such a bad deal.....
Go get ya one, email me for the tip on how to get the pitch curves right (hint: its the smallest control rods on the head, and they attach to the blade holders......7 turns longer each........)). James

GOOD guy list-39, BAD guy list-0
09-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Woody218
Veteran
Location: Bismarck, ND

I used an OS 46 in mine, I had the metal mount from and Ergo 46, and also the metal fan. I used a clutch from an Ergo 46, and had to shorten the crankshaft by about 1/2". With carbon 550 blades, you can run +10/-10, and it really hauls a@@ going upstairs!
Also, as AGRAV8 posted, install the KSJ thrust bearings, money well spent. Do not use an OS 50, I have heard of spindles bending like pretzels with this engine. JR seems to have shafts that are rather on the soft side, perhaps some heat treating might be the way to go on the spindle if you're going to try a 50.


Gravity Always Wins!
09-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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