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e-E-Flite Blade CP mCX CX 400-3D > Blade is back - w/Clear case 4-in-1?

stealth916

Veteran - Location: Rocklin, CA -

OK,

I waited a month for my glitching Blade to come back from Horizon. It finally came back with a new 4-in-1 unit. This 4-in-1 is different from the original one, in that it has a CLEAR case. A friend of mine also bought one last week from Horizon as a replacement, and it too is CLEAR. They are both working marvelously...

The last 4-in-1 had a black case. I don't know what else if anything may be different, but I am very happy that this thing is working with no glitches.

It is flying smooth as butter again - and glitch free!

08-23-2005 07:09 PM

c mark smith
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt Vernon, Indiana

clear is good

I too have a replacement clear case four-in-one,

It was a replacement bought with two used Blades,,,,,,

I like the clear as it offers a better view of the status LED,

nice improvement in my opinion,

08-24-2005 01:41 AM

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Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

The original black case acted as a heat sink for the enclosed elex and just made them even hotter when flying in the triple digit sunny weather we have been having in the States. Going to a clear case was a move in the right direstion IMHO.

Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
IRCHA 3355
Major USAF
Retired

08-24-2005 02:08 AM

Ron_Osinski
Senior Heliman
Location: Russellton, PA

Plus the clear case gives that KEWL factor!

The newer servos that will come in the BCP's will also be clear or gray smoke looking too. Neat-O!

And very shortly they will become available for sale separatly. I like these servos a lot and will likely outfix my T-rex with them!

__________
Best Regards,

Ron Osinski
aka - GMRO

08-24-2005 03:06 PM

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midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

Ron...

I am assuming there was more than just a cosmetic shift in the 4 in 1....
Do you know if they changed anything internally?

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175

08-24-2005 03:16 PM

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Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Aside from the case, no other changes have been made to the latest 4-in-1 units.

One reason for the change in case color was to better match the new transparent gray case E-flite S75 servos now included with Blade CP models:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/...5&OverallCatID=

08-24-2005 03:55 PM

Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Quote
Plus the clear case gives that KEWL factor! The newer servos that will come in the BCP's will also be clear or gray smoke looking too. Neat-O! And very shortly they will become available for sale separatly. I like these servos a lot and will likely outfix my T-rex with them! __________ Best Regards, Ron Osinski aka - GMRO

Very interested to hear how they do on a T-Rex. Keep us posted. IMHO I don't think the servos first offered with the Blade are up to that task .

Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
IRCHA 3355
Major USAF
Retired

08-24-2005 04:21 PM

Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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Very interested to hear how they do on a T-Rex. Keep us posted. IMHO I don't think the servos first offered with the Blade are up to that task .

I wouldnt agree with that all...Ron can attest to that too! We saw one of the best 3D pilots in the country fly a T-Rex (CCPM) harder than many "other servo" set ups Ive seen with EFLH1030 servos from an original Blade CP model and they performed EXTREMELY well. In fact, he said he liked the servos very much!

I and others have been flying the S75 servos in our T-Rexes for some time now and they really work well. Stronger and faster than HS-55s, with better deadband, at a tad less weight. Not bad at all

08-24-2005 04:40 PM

stealth916
Veteran
Location: Rocklin, CA

Horizon is claiming 17oz of torque at 4.8v with this 7.5gram servo. That compares to 11.2 oz for a Cirrus 6.5 gram, a little bit more than the Align 9 gram servo, and the same as a JR 241 nine gram micro servo for half the price. Pretty impressive if the numbers hold up...

It should be the bare minimum for CCPM use in a TREX - be careful with the mechanical mix setup. For sure let us know how it works out...

08-24-2005 04:40 PM

Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Yes, we've been working very hard on this servo for some time now to suit a wide variety of models from Blade CPs to T-Rexes to flat foamies and our "Mini" series Funtana/Edge models. While torque and speed are important, deadband is too for the best possible performance.

Having tested the S75 servos in the lab and in models next to 241s, HS-55s and other servos in this class, we can say with confidence they are by far some of the very best.

08-24-2005 04:48 PM

Ron_Osinski
Senior Heliman
Location: Russellton, PA

Right ON!

Jason is right.

We both saw and talked over IRCHA week/end @ Muncie, IN to guys who had older BCP's - black case servos and they took the servos out and put them in T-Rex helis. This was after destroying the BCP's while flying the heck out them.

We witnessed some of the harshest 3D parking lot hammering of the the T-Rex heli that we had ever seen. Made me come home and immediately order a T-Rex.

The servos worked super and the guys loved them. They are cheaper than the other servos in this size/class and they work better too. My T-Rex helis will have BCP, I mean E-Flite servos in them. The guys we spoke with, die hard 3D'ers, were very happy to hear that these servos would be available soon separtly and with a new KEWL looking case.

I can't wait...NOW I just need the heli kits!

___________
Best Regards,

Ron Osinski
aka - GMRO

08-26-2005 03:26 PM

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Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Don't doubt the testimony, but it would be good to see the spec's on the old servos and hear from a T-Rex pilot, not on the HH payroll, who actually has used them ( the original EFLH1030's) for an extended period. Sounds too good to be true and you know what they say.....................

Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
IRCHA 3355
Major USAF
Retired

08-26-2005 04:01 PM

Ron_Osinski
Senior Heliman
Location: Russellton, PA

For the record and for those that don't know...I don't collect and never have collected a paycheck from HH.

No war intended here but in my world seeing is believing, it has always been that way for me. And I don't make assumptions about products until I actually get to see it in action or get to use it myself.

That being said, I may suggest that anyone looking to validate the statements made above simply visit another popular billboard and look for a video of said T-rex flying a few days before IRCHA that you can download. You can see it for yourself. You may find the video on a site that is named "freak". And I think his nick is 00BOTO. He is a great guy; friend and pilot as well as the other top notch, not just builder of many e-helis, a "3D maniac" of sorts who also flies very well and pounds on e-helis too. Both pilots were @ IRCHA; both pilots spanked the T-Rex with the BCP servos. In fact if you check the video thread on that site you will see in 1 of the posts that he is asked a few times what equipment is being used. The Blade CP servos are called out. Yes these 2 guys even flew BCP's for a while. And in speaking with him at IRCHA directly after the monsoon that blew in on Thursday they were very happy with the BCP for what you get and the servos performance in the T-Rex.

Now will the servos last over 1 year with extreme punisment, I can't say. Simply not enough time on them. But I've had other higher priced servos in smaller helis like a Pic Pro and even a Hornet, when I was repairing micros more than flying, that were "blue tinted" that failed way before 1 year in use. Those helis were never pounded anything close to what the T-Rex is capable of taking and what we all saw @ IRCHA.

Personally, I will still be using the E-Flite servos in my Rex's. Everyone has the right/choice to use what they want. Just know it's an option. Jason will know more about the specs on this new servo that is soon to be released.

It is also worth mentioning that WE the 55 pilots + who were at the late night flying sessions saw this same heli hit the ground 3 times one night during some extreme flying. The only reason he didn't fly it more, MAH blades were even scuffed from asphalt contact but the heli still flew shakeless, was that the t/r drive pulley up front let go. The JB Weld had come loose so NO T/R was the reason he put the heli away. This was after 3 flights of hammer flying as well as the 2 days of punishment at the impromptu parking lot flying. Not only did the servos impress me but the ability of the T-Rex to take a "shot" like it did was simply amazing. For that reason alone I need to have this heli.

___________
Best Regards,

Ron Osinski
aka - GMRO

08-26-2005 07:02 PM

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Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Chill Ron. All I am looking for are the spec's on the old servos. The specs on the new servos are on the HH website. I certainly wasn't questioning your integrity and if you took it that way then my apologies. It's really trivial, since I'll never use these on any T-rex of mine.

BTW merchandise qualifies as "payroll" IMHO, so I guess I'm on the payroll too since I got a free Blade to do the review for RC Groups.

Have a great weekend.

Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
IRCHA 3355
Major USAF
Retired

08-26-2005 08:03 PM

Ron_Osinski
Senior Heliman
Location: Russellton, PA

NO worries here Boyd.

I appreciate your understanding.

What is bothersome at times is when all the time spent on product development, and I can tell you there is a lot by very skilled and qualified persons involved, is simply thrown to the way side prematurely by a few comments. It can be very damaging to ANY product, whether it is something I am involved with or not. This goes the same for any manufacturer. And the result is the same...a tarnished producted before it is even released. I am hoping this is not the case here. Hope you understand.

ALSO, my main idea is that if the original BCP servos worked and were up to the job then the newer ones that are improved, yes they have a smaller deadband and you have the specs, will work even better. I don't have any "loose" older ones so I will be using the NEW ones myself. "Loose" meaning no spare BCP servos that are un-used or from dismantled BCP's. Maybe I was not clear on that?

I know you have a lot of e-helis and I can appreciate that. I just hope you give these servos a chance before you warrant them un-usable. I don't force any product on anyone and I don't let folks do it to me either. And I don't put equipment that will not stand up to the demands of any heli that I own as well as I'm sure you don't. I think we agree on that?

Thanks for the input. No harm done on this side.

___________
Best Regards,

Ron Osinski
aka - GMRO

08-26-2005 09:39 PM

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Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Torque and speed of the EFLH1030 servos is compareable to the EFLRS75s. The deadband on the S75 servos has however been further improved, resulting in a servo that is faster, stronger, lighter and more accurate than other servos in this class. The S75 servos also feature a universal connector and extra-long 3D servo arm for 3D airplane pilots too.

In this case, I was more suprised than anyone to learn which servos they were using and it gave me even more confidence, on top of the extensive testing we have already done, that these servos really do perform extremely well.

I know other T-Rex (and BCP) pilots will be impressed with their performance too.

08-27-2005 12:07 AM

stealth916
Veteran
Location: Rocklin, CA

I'M SOLD

I am building another CCPM 'Rex right now from left over parts - trying to stay low budget and still see how good of a spare flyer I can get. I am going to use these servos for sure - you can't beat the price for the specs.

08-27-2005 05:17 AM

day_fiend
Heliman
Location: Watertown, WI

So let me get this straight, the new blades that are out right now have the new servos and 4in1? Or are they going to be blades released at a later time? Also, do the new servos have any effect on how the blade flies, i.e. faster cyclic response? I want to buy a blade and am looking for a good used one, but if the new ones are much better I would probably buy one new.

edit:
and is there any sort of marking or indicaiton on the box that it is the newer version? thanks

09-04-2005 08:11 PM

Nate
Heliman
Location: Lexington, KY

servo problems

I think I may have to try out the new servos when they become available. I've got one that's acting funny. When you plug the battery in it won't center. I took it apart to check the gears and all looks fine. I took the gears loose from the servo motor and when you plug in the battery the servo motor just runs constantly. I'm guessing the servo electronics are fried. I've switched around servos and the 4in1 seems fine. That's good news I guess. Any body else experience this sort of servo problem? Will Horizon cover this under warranty? I can't figure really what caused the problem.

09-05-2005 02:05 AM

Riverman
Senior Heliman
Location: Peace River, Alberta

Nate

Hello. Unfortunately I don't have have any imput on the glitching, but I was wondering what you meant when you say to "took the gears loose from the servo motor"? If you disconected the geartrain to the feedback potentiometer that would explain why your motor is running continuously. The motor is trying to find "home" but is unable to drive the feedback potentiometer. Totally normal.

Regards

09-05-2005 12:01 PM

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