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rkeith2
Veteran
Location: Norco, CA

Anyone else out there with lockout and/or other 5014 receiver issues?


08-22-2005 12:14 AM
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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

i heard from a number of sponsored (futaba) pilots that
yes, the receivers do have a 'problem' w/ glitching and
lockout.

Futaba knows about it at the highest levels (in the US and Japan)
and is working on a solution.

Whether the usual channels will admit to a problem, well,
I kinda doubt that.
08-22-2005 12:26 AM
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spritefiend
Key Veteran
Location: Camarillo, CA

wow, kinda glad i didnt jump the gun and buy this impulsivly as usual.
sounds like this thing has many a' bugs to get worked out.
08-22-2005 12:45 AM
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I3DM
rrProfessor
Location: Israel

Any news about this ?

Team pilot for Radix, Helidirect, Logictech, ThunderPower, Fromeco, Gaui
www.liorzahavi.com
10-31-2005 10:44 AM
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GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

From Futaba

There have been a few, and I emphasize, A FEW cases of momentary lockouts with the new G3 receiver. Futaba has been made aware and has issued this release.

Received from Futaba:

G3 R5014 Receiver Update

Overwhelmingly, the 14MZ has been an amazing success story!
Everyone owning one has found the ease of programming and fast,
accurate response a generation better than any other radio on the
market. And with 14 channels available, jet and scale pilots now
have options for added functions. Giant scale and IMAC modelers
appreciate the ease of setting up control surfaces that use multiple
servos on each control surface.

As with any new technological advancement, there is a learning
curve. There have been a small number of isolated cases of the
R5014 receiver going into momentary lock-outs, almost always in
helicopter and large-scale applications. The consensus is that the
receiver is less tolerant of metal-to-metal noise and random RF
noise. Following individual investigation and follow-up, most of
these modelers discovered that a part or bearing on their metal and
graphite machines needed attention, or that antenna routing needed
to be changed.

We do know that the R5014 receiver is more sensitive and responsive
to outside noise than any previous Futaba receiver. That's the bad
news. The good news is that the 14MZ is also more sensitive and
responsive to pilot inputs than any system previously available!

Eliminating Lock-Outs

Futaba is conducting tests to determine a solution for those unusual
cases in which a lock-out occurs. In many situations, tightening
down loose metal-to-metal/graphite joints has solved any problem.
Rerouting the receiver antenna away from metal frames, graphite
reinforcements, metal pushrods, and ignition wiring has solved
others. If you have had any problems, check these areas first.

In the most difficult situations, one solution has already been
discovered: shortening the antenna to reduce the receiver's
sensitivity to outside noise. Several competitors at the Tucson
Shoot-Out and a few individual heli pilots have tried this
modification. Based on limited flying time, it has eliminated all of
the lock-outs.

The length of the modified receiver antenna wire used for this
testing is 21.6" or 55cm. from the receiver case grommet to the end
of the wire. The receiver should not be retuned. Just cut off the
excess wire length. It's critically important to route the antenna
wire away from ignition components, graphite or metal frames, and
any other wiring - and to tighten all metal-to-metal connections.

If you wish to try this procedure yourself, we suggest you first
conduct a thorough ground range test before cutting your receiver
antenna:

1. Remove your transmitter antenna and leave the engine turned off.
2. Rest your model in a fixed position, with the receiver antenna at
least 12 inches off of the ground.
3. Test the ground range all of the way around model. Receivers
often have different ranges in certain orientations; document the
attitudes and mark the range for each angle.
4. Then, modify the antenna wire length and retest the range. If the
range does not decrease, then the modification will likely improve
your situation.

Because testing continues at this time and such testing cannot
encompass all of the possible combinations of equipment
installations, cutting the antenna is still
considered "experimental" at this time. The factory is currently
completing testing of the reduced antenna length and other possible
solutions. Once an official recommendation has been finalized,
additional statements will be forthcoming.

The factory also recommends installing servo extensions with filters
between the receiver and extensions when using long servo leads in
S5014 receiver-equipped models. The tail rotor servo in a helicopter
should have one, for example. Large, gasoline-powered aircraft might
need them on all long extensions, such as ailerons, elevators, or
rudder. Stock numbers for these are FUTM4149 (Standard) and
FUTM4180 (Heavy Duty).

End quote:

Personally, my 14MZ has been very good and the STratus has been flawless.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
10-31-2005 12:05 PM
 
 
RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

I've been flying two 5014 for several months and not a glitch to be found (knock on wood).
10-31-2005 02:29 PM
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Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

The problems have been few, but for those who have issues even AFTER ALL potential sources for RFI have been eliminated, the suggested mods work very well.

Ben Minor
10-31-2005 05:32 PM
 
 
Freakout
Senior Heliman
Location: CA

I just put 5014 on my Extreme. First flight got a glitch on the tail. While hovering the tail just kick and then stop. Once only. My clutch bell is rubbing G10 frame a little. Is that might be a reason for a glitch? But been using 149 and never get a glitch.

Thanks,
Oat

Magic's in the air!
10-31-2005 08:56 PM
 
 
spritefiend
Key Veteran
Location: Camarillo, CA

lol i love this

Quote 
We do know that the R5014 receiver is more sensitive and responsive
to outside noise than any previous Futaba receiver. That's the bad
news. The good news is that the 14MZ is also more sensitive and
responsive to pilot inputs than any system previously available!


as sensative as it is, it may cause a crash and demolish your helicopter or large plane, but at least you have the newest and best technology.
10-31-2005 09:52 PM
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RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

spritefiend, you seem to be pecking for a fight, what's up? Do you have factual information to irrevocably say that the 5014 receivers are busted?

14MZ is an awesome radio; the 5014 receiver with its G3 technology IS the most advanced on the consumer market. That a handful of folks have experienced problems and decided the cause was the receiver ... well, I think the jury is still out on that one.

In this hobby, anything you use or do is capable of causing a crash. That 6-month old battery you have on your radio can die unexpectedly one day while out on the field. Or maybe even that new battery pack you just purchased, cycled and installed on your receiver dies in the middle of its maiden flight. Does that mean you'll stop flying because Murphy says that crashes will happen? Don't think so...
11-01-2005 01:15 AM
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spritefiend
Key Veteran
Location: Camarillo, CA

Quote 
Do you have factual information to irrevocably say that the 5014 receivers are busted?


no i do not. i know as much as ive read on these forums, between glitching to the ease in which the screens break. considering though that futaba released what they did, while not outright saying it, they acknowledge a problem which exists.

my problem is that they seem to justify it by saying you have the latest and greatest, even if it doesnt work 100%. my 2nd problems is, if i spend $1900-2200 on something, i damn well expect it to WORK CORRECTLY.

however like you said, its still not definitive that the receivers are the problem, but if people are upgrading to this system and otherwise not having trouble up until they upgrade its only a matter of deductive reasoning, that something is hinke between the tx or rx.

edit: and i really dont think its unreasonable that i bring this up. im not against the radio by any means, im sure it is all its cracked up to be. couple revisions down the line when there are 0 issues with it, im sure i will own one, and i look forward to it. but laying out that kind of money for something thats iffy, thats the definition of crazy.
11-01-2005 03:30 AM
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Vicky
Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

A friend of mine use the 14MZ , Black shark 3 and hirobo machine crash due to receiver lock. All sevros and Gryo is new 30 filght only.
The frequezy is 72

Unfortunately, I ordered one set and not yet install to my machine as very worry about the reliability.

does anyone has any similair experence?

Thanks

Vicky
11-12-2005 02:56 AM
 
 
Chris.C
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Hey Vicky,

Our friend's 14MZ has been sent back to Japan for repair/investigation so no solid conclusion can be made to the cause of the crash but it is good to have people share here any problem that 14MZ may have.

I agree that every new technology/product has learning curve but I think the learning should be over once it is on the market as the consequences of mishap could be very expensive sometimes like my friend's case.

Chris
11-12-2005 03:49 AM
 
 
Nasscar][
Veteran
Location: Newark, Delaware

what about any type of filters for the antenna?

I'm no way an electric expert but hell, they have filters for extensions right?
11-12-2005 06:49 AM
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modtron
Veteran
Location: Oxford. UK

From the information that I have had from Japan, this receiver problem is only with sets on 72 mhz ( USA & Japan ). It has not appeared in any other lower frequencies.

Modtron
Oxford UK
11-12-2005 08:37 AM
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CrazyF
Senior Heliman
Location: LA

So, is Futaba working on this issue or what? This is sucks.
11-12-2005 03:10 PM
 
 
modtron
Veteran
Location: Oxford. UK

As I understand the problem, Futaba in Japan are on the case. Just don't know how long it will be for a result.

Modtron
Oxford UK
11-12-2005 08:04 PM
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Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

The suggested mods related GM1 (Gordie Meade) are straight from Futaba Japan. At least here in the US, they have been shown to eliminate virtually every case of lock out models with no know sources of severe RFI.

I've been flying them for the better part of a month now with excellent results.

Ben Minor
11-13-2005 12:35 AM
 
 
nocontrol
Veteran
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Paid for my 14MZ this past friday (just waiting for delivery) and now I read this DAMN!!!! I am on 35meg. Are there problems on this band as well????
11-14-2005 07:40 AM
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Vicky
Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Quoted : "Paid for my 14MZ this past friday (just waiting for delivery) and now I read this DAMN!!!! I am on 35meg. Are there problems on this band as well????"


I just got one, afraid to install to my machine as my friend's expensive machine crash due to lock out. To me, the cost is more than I paid for 14mz. I don't know what to do. Futaba has to do something officially for all 14MZ owners, not unofficially here to suggest shorten the antenna by 55cm here. Otherwise, it hurt the company reputation as consumer paid US$2200 for Damn unreliable equipment.

Vicky
11-14-2005 08:51 AM
 
 
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