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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > Synergy liveing up to the Stratus
 
 
Hoagie1
Veteran
Location: Redmond, WA

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They are taking all the time that is needed to bring a near perfect machine to the market.


I'll bet that there will be people asking for the bling and finding mods for the heli. I'm guessing within a year of release, there will be an anodized engine mount for this thing...
08-18-2005 Over year old.
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RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

flaming blades

Not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape about the "plastic" issue. Personally I don't have any problems with using it as long as it's been engineered into the design and not a last minute change to help lower implementation costs. I don't know JK, never met him nor even seen him fly (except in videos), I simply like everything I've seen so far on the Synergy. Wish I could see it in person, but if everything remains as been documented so far, I'm not going to be disappointed when I that eventually occurs.
08-18-2005 Over year old.
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flaming blades
Senior Heliman
Location: hertfordshire, UK

I still think that if u look at a synergy next to a stratus the stratus looks better engineered.
08-18-2005 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

well, consider that the Stratus 'team' has had about 20 years of
design behind it whereas the Synergy is a brand new design
by essentially first time designers.

On the other hand, you may well ask why the Stratus team (and
I explicitly NOT using the mfgr name) can't get a grip on things
like bearings, tailshafts, gears, and some other historical
trouble spots on that manufacturer's design.

It's all conjecture and I'll wait till it's actually available and see how
it is. Until then, it's all just 'tastes great - less filling' gum flapping.
08-18-2005 Over year old.
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sharam
Elite Veteran
Location: Northern California

Based on what I have seen and heard so far, I will purchase a Synergy heli when it comes out and will hold off on the Stratus.

I have flown Raptor 30, 50, Caliber 30, Robbe Cuatro 91, Logo 10, Fury Ext 91, and Fury Tempest 91 3D head, and the Tempest is my favorite. The Cuatro and the Tempest are very close when it comes to stability and straight line tracking but the Tempest for obvious reasons is more agile. My worry re the Tempest is the time, $$, and effort that I will have to put into it when it goes in - it will go down, if not due to pilot error, perhaps due to mechanical breakdown, frequency hit, or just because it wants to!

I eagerly await the release of the Synergy! I am hoping it "tastes great."
08-18-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rappyfly
Senior Heliman
Location: Toronto, ONT

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I do not think that they have directly copied parts from other manufactures


Can I say Tempest FAI use seesaw design from Hirobo?

If I can use your idea and design to produce something even better, you shall pround of me. This was how Japanese auto manufactures learned to make a better car by studying their competitor's car's.

This remind me college's cheating and plagiarism policy. I still remember "If you want to copy, copy in your own words."
08-18-2005 Over year old.
 
 
sharam
Elite Veteran
Location: Northern California

There are only so many ways you can put a head together. I would be surprised if anyone came out with a truly unique design that didn't use something from some other manufacturer.
08-18-2005 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

have you seen the MFS head by Joker & Heinselit?

But true, there are only a few ways to put the basic parts together.
the rest (like having the mix levers on the seesaw vs. the grip) is a
design decision.
08-18-2005 Over year old.
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4cyclic
Senior Heliman
Location: Montreal, Can. and northern Vt

I have both seen the Stratus and Synergy at IRCHA and examined them closely. Both were nice. The black anodised parts on the Synergy were vey well made.

Talking about plastic parts, there are still plastic parts on the Stratus as well as the Synergy. I'm sure JK will have main shaft alu bearing blocks and motor mounts available as upgrades for those who want it.

I think the Synergy will be quite a bit less expensive than the $1,050 Stratus though .

I'm glad we'll have the Synergy N-9 as competition to the Stratus and other 90 sized birds. Nothing like competition for us , non sponsored pilots. He he

J.L.
08-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
IYKIST
Veteran
Location: London united kingdom

The Stratus does have a higher quality look because it has all the cnc parts but the Synergy which has a lot of plastic parts and looks cheaper has a better design, the Synergy has taken a lot of designs that works from various Helicopters and some innovative designs no doubt that the synergy would have upgrades for the metal lovers and i know when this heli is released it would be right first time. i would wait for the Synergy it should be better Value for money (Raptor 90 price range) maybe.
08-19-2005 Over year old.
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Rapfury
Heliman
Location: Arlington, WASH.

What good is cnc parts or metal upgrades when you need a bag of shims to adjust tolerances, or the need to file carbon doublers to keep the main gear from rubbing, or the need to glue in bearings in the tail rotor housing. Quality, not hardly! Yes I do own a extreme. A mistake I will rectify when the Synergy comes out, plastic or not!!
08-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
duraace9sp
Senior Heliman
Location: los angeles area

synergy

the furys really do work----the 3000 hirobos fly awesome---however i really feel confident the synergy will do very well in comparison with less work and cost!

..i'll be ready to verify this suspicion when it becomes available!
08-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dankers
Veteran
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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I think the Synergy will be quite a bit less expensive than the $1,050 Stratus though .


That really is a good point. We could be comparing apples with oranges here. For starters the MA stuff is US made and the Synergy is made in China so this will help keep the cost down. They could be really different price points for all we know?

Until the price is released and the heli gets in to normal pilots hands, nothing is certain. I've seen videos of JK flying a raptor 50 and he made it look better than most weekend pilots could make a stratus look!

When I read the comments that someone thought it was cheap, I did expect a lot of fan boys jumping on to defend it - I'm impressed this didn't happen and look forward to honest reviews.
08-20-2005 Over year old.
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Michael Shetler
Heliman
Location: Twin Falls ,Idaho

( MA stuff is US made and the Synergy is made in China)?

I hate to bust your bubble. Ive know Jason and Todd for a long time. And I know first hand the parts are US made , because I know a few of the people currently making the parts for it. And they live right here in the US of A baby.

Cheers,Mike
08-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Facts...

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MA stuff is US made

Do you know this for a fact?

I seem to recall a discussion that was not disputed awhile back on some of the MA parts coming from factorys outside the US.
I think it was part of the slow down on Fury's a few years ago.

I don't think even Bergen makes 100% of the parts for their helicopter in the US.

I actually think the Stratus may be the first one to make that claim, but I bet even they have some parts that are imported like ball links, bearings and such.

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
08-21-2005 Over year old.
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dankers
Veteran
Location: Melbourne, Australia

That's interesting - I really don't care too much where they are made and it wasn't a dig at being made in China. If it is made in the US, great but means that a large internet vendor from HK is lying as he is claiming to be making it - heard this from two different sources now.

08-21-2005 Over year old.
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vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

Hell, I wish they made them ALL in China if it would lower the cost by 50%! We crash them too much to wear them out anyway!!!

If the Oil companies are allowed to keep RAPEing us we might become just like China .. 90% of us riding Bicycles.

Nolan Manley
RREMODELS, KBDDintl, Magnum Fuel
Stratus, ODIN, Knight3D, ATOM 500, TREX 700N.
08-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
John Benario
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta

The Synergy has a few neat things on it, no doubt. With regard to the copying of other manufaturers heads, the Tempest and new Hirobo are actually Kalt heads. Kalt was the originator of the reducer type mixing lever on the seesaw. It took a decade for Hirobo and Miniature to realize its advantages and change over to it. Kalts were the finest machines. It is unfortunate that they did not have an importer that supported the product.

John Benario
08-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
spectrapilot
Heliman
Location: Brisbane , Australia

I wonder if it wasn't for the impending release of the synergy whether MA would have bothered bringing out the stratus in the first place. It appears to me most of the things stated in the design brief, eg. lighter heli, lower parts count, increased roll rates, etc,etc for the synergy have been the very things MA has tryed to achieve with the stratus. I get the impression it was done in a rush too. Obviously MA see this as a real threat to their share of the 3D market. As for design it is so simmilar to my, now sold spectra G, which spent more time as a paper weight than actually flying. MA had "Joe Average" doing the R & D on that , and paying for the privilage aswell. At least JK and co. are doing the right thing by the customer and trying to make it as "Joe Average proof" as possible before they let the public loose on it, and i give them heaps of praise for that. All the waffle about plastic this and that is nothing more than that, just waffle and hot air. Do you really think Jason and Todd would ruin their reputations and bank balances by releasing an inferior product. Look around there is plastic used on lots of great helis that we all fly, anyway enough said lets let the finished product speak for itself!!
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

I didn't know that Synergy had a press release on the other side of the world. I have yet to see it with all the information that I have read on this thread.

I don't know where the parts are sourced with any degree of certainty but I'm glad some folks do. Personally I would like to hear this from the manufacturer themselves and it really doesn't matter where they are sourced as long as the quality is there.

As far as reputations are concerned, it's one thing to have a reputation as a builder flier and quite another to have one as a manufacturer/distributor. The latter has yet to be established. Things change when your own money is on the line and you are having to send free parts out because some knucklehead decided to spend their money on a model that is so over their head that they are incapable of building it with any degree of success. Read any number of posts here on RR for an illustration of that principle. It happens all the time. Support policies have yet to be established as has their website.

Franky, it's still early days and damn, the machine isn't even available for sale yet. I give them full marks for showing up with a machine that flies at IRCHA. This is a great start.

TM
08-22-2005 Over year old.
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