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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > Synergy liveing up to the Stratus

flaming blades
Senior Heliman
Location: hertfordshire, UK

From what people have seen of both machines what looks the better. I dont know weather to convert my extreme to stratus or leave it and buy a Synergy when it comes out. At the moment i am going towards thye stratus purely because the engineerinbg looks higher quality and I would be surprised if jk and todd get the synergy right straight away. What company in any line of producing has realeased a product and it has been perfect straight off. Based on thousands oof people flying the fury X-Cell would have known exactly what would have needed to be done on the Stratus. Ideally i want to end up with 2 identical 90 size ships so which ever one I go for if its the Synergy I will buy 2 and the fury will go. If its the Stratus then I will convert my existing Fury and buy the complete kit when it comes out. Will be interested to hear your views. Please try anbd be unbiassed just because Jk made it it dousn't been to say its faultless.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

bobj
Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

Hi

I am obviously going to biased towards the Synergy but there is only one sure why to know and that's to wait until the Synergy is out, there are but a handful that have flown the Synergy and no one other than Jason has worked on or built one, the model is still in late prototype form so no one can say for sure.

Cheers
Bob J

08-18-2005 Over year old.

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CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

I had a close up look at both at Ircha,
Ron Lund had one on display in his booth,
The quality of the machining wasn't even close, also
the synergy looked like it copyed the xcell in several parts, the machining just looked cheap.
Frankly, The synergy just looked like a cheap xcell knock-off.

Just my humble opinion.
And in case your wondering, no I am not a xcell rep, {century rep}

08-18-2005 Over year old.

BONO1
Heliman
Location: arkansas

The Stratus is lighter, which should make it fly slightly better if all else is the same.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

Well now...

I don't think anyone can say too much about the Synergy until the beta kits get into the hands of regular pilots and we can hear from the what works and what doesn't. I do agree that a fair bit of the parts on the N9 share alot of similarities with other birds but really, there are only so many ways one can design a working model heli. Furthermore, the reason that the N9 has taken so long to get into public view is because TB and JK want it to be right the first time out. This has been thier intention from the onset of this little venture. I like a few of the design aspects and I think it has alot of potential. In all honesty, only time will tell.

For me, I am shooting for a Stratus. When the first pics came out, everyone(including myself) said it looked like a cheap, chincy design that would not hold up well. This bird is now the object of my lust. I have seen it in the hands of top pilots as well as average joes like us and I have yet to find a model that performs as well. The frame layout, engine mount, and CG are all very much to my liking. I also like the fact that with a fuel tank swap (something with a bit more capacity), this bird would be excellent for FAI work. I could go no for longer but I have to get ready for work.

Lou

Bowstrings, Banjo's, and Birkenstocks.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

bjacks
Veteran
Location: Ft. Worth, Tex.

Stratus

The Stratus Kits are out, Tim was selling them a IRCHA(I don't know if he was selling them retail but dealers could get them from him, Ron had 5 or 6 in his booth)Bobby

08-18-2005 Over year old.

flaming blades
Senior Heliman
Location: hertfordshire, UK

I must admit guys I didn't want to be harsh about Jasons work but I did think it looked quite cheap. There is a lot of plastic and the X-cell just seems better and higher quality in every area.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

Wow, judging quality/performance by how much plastic it contains is not a good measurement for cheapness (heck, guess the space shuttle must be a piece of crap?!).

As some have commented, the Synergy is still beta, give it a chance before shooting it down. We don't even know what the final product will look like!

08-18-2005 Over year old.

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Raptor30Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Oak Creek, WI

Let's remember that the plastic is there for a reason - not just to bring down the price of the parts, but also aid in the life of bearings.

Plastic is not a bad material, nor does qualify as a "cheap" product compared to expensive CNC'd aluminum.

I saw the Synergy up close and saw it fly in the hands of a few very good pilots. From my perspective, it looked like if flew like a Fury. But if the price is competive or less along with a low part count and easy maintenance - go JK & TB for making it happen!

I'm not biased to one kit or the other, I just fly what I feel is a "quality" kit.

Regards,
Mike

Team QuickUK Pilot

08-18-2005 Over year old.

yugi
Veteran
Location: Maryland

This will be an interesting thread for a while. The answer to this question might be that there is no wrong answer. There are parts that look close to other A/C and JK & TB both help fine tune the design of the Fury Extreme…so some of that flavor has crossed over to the Synergy. I don’t think you can go wrong with either A/C at this point. Time will tell………..

Yugi

If you keep doing the same thing…...you’re going to get the same results!

08-18-2005 Over year old.

rappyfly
Senior Heliman
Location: Toronto, ONT

I will wait for Synergy.

I look at it very close at Ircha. When JK "gave" one to me, I almost put one in my trunk and drove away.

Most well design heli can fly very well today. The challenge is how to design a strong structure with less reinforcement but easy to maintain and access. Try to make the component last longer form our abuse flying. Minimize the damage if unfortunate happened.

Does both machine pass above requirements? And these are my guide lines for next heli.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

sharam
Elite Veteran
Location: Northern California

While I love my Fury Tempest and Extreme, I would love to have a high performance heli with LOWER parts count, I am hoping that the Synergy will be that heli.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

pcliftonjr
Key Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Synergy Parts count

Around 250...

Paul

08-18-2005 Over year old.

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jb_turner
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

I feel that simplicity and ease of obtaining parts are KEY to a successful RC Heli. A complicated heli will end up being a money pit and a heli sitting idle while awaiting or sourcing parts is a doorstop.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

Kjetil
Senior Heliman
Location: Oslo, Norway

The Synergy looks like a really great helicopter to me. I think that the plastic parts like the engine mounts and bearing blocks are there to reduce vibrations and noise. Just listen to how smooth and quiet the Synergy is mechanically while it’s in the air. I think the plastic parts and the huge main gear is a part of that. The plastic front structure will be nice when you hit the dirt and it’s only 6 screws to change it to a new inexpensive one. The geometry of the control system looks good. The parts count is low and the parts look well proportioned - it’s a rigid construction! I do not think that they have directly copied parts from other manufactures, but rather used ideas from different brands and what they liked. Like the big main gear (like the Robbe Millennium) and the tail boom below the main gear (like the CX Avant, maybe). Many of the other helis on the market does also share a lot of similarities.

Nobody knows a lot about how this heli will turn out when it’s available, but I’m quite confident that Jason and Todd are capable of bringing out a really great helicopter.

I will buy the Synergy as soon as it is available, for sure.

Kjetil

08-18-2005 Over year old.

CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Quote
I do not think that they have directly copied parts from other manufactures

You need to take a closer look at the head

08-18-2005 Over year old.

Kjetil
Senior Heliman
Location: Oslo, Norway

Yep, I know that the rotor head looks much like the ones on Mineature Aircraft helis.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

flaming blades
Senior Heliman
Location: hertfordshire, UK

Its interesting how people have changed there views on plastic now it features on the synergy. People have spent years takeing the mickey out of raptors calling them craptors etc because they were a plastic machine. Now the plastic has been put on a synergy it is now there for specific reasons so why wasn't it viewed that all the plastic on the raptor was there for specific reasons.
Just a thought no offence intended I just think that people feel they have to love it and defend it from criticism because JK made it and he is such a great guy which I dont dispute.

08-18-2005 Over year old.

bigbuster
Senior Heliman
Location: APO 09021 NY

Has anyone ever took the time to really think about what these guys are trying to do here. They are taking all the time that is needed to bring a near perfect machine to the market. Look back has anyone else done this? we have se,v2,evo,and on and on, these are all upgraded models of a previous model that wasn't quite right. I for one commend both guys on the effort that they have set forth, even if the model is not perfect at first. Think about what this will mean for all the other companies they to will have to step up to the plate. Who do you think they are doing this for? It is for us, the users, a perfect or near perfect model means more time flying and less time fixing. I saw the model at 3dm and it does have some simularities to others but isn't that what makes things great
when you take the best of whats available and make them work in one unit. The model flies great,looks great and has 2 great people working
on it to try to exceed all our expectations. Just give it a chance. you don't have to like it but let time be the judge.

Jeff

I'm hooked.......

08-18-2005 Over year old.

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Michael Shetler
Heliman
Location: Twin Falls ,Idaho

Synergy

I have been around the synergy and seen it in early engineering. Jk and Tb have put alot more time in getting somthing that we will all like the first time out. Jk has put this thing to the test as I have seen it do some awesome sh_ _. It took the abuse that they both put it through so it will hold up to whatever we can throw at it. The part count is awesome . All helis go in and if you have to buy less parts and faster builds and less to go wrong than its for me. Everyone is saying how long it has taken to get this heli out to show the public. When it has only been around a year. Lets see someone elce with the knowlege of these two design build and mass produce a heli and see how long it takes. These guys want to make the best possible product for the consumer and I believe they have done it to the T. They want everyone to fly something that doesn't need a million upgrades or changes. In seeing this heli fly and how it works we are all going to be very happy and it will be worth the wait.
(Try not to put something down that we havn't even tried yet)

08-18-2005 Over year old.

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