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Henseleit 3DNT - Rocket - 3DMP > 3D NT latest setup
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

Finally it is running very good, not perfect.
Here is the latest setup for the OS91 HGL and Lottle Carb:

Two head gaskets under the head.
Perry pump
2 OZ header tank
Small ID silicon tube for muffler pressure to fill header tank(ignore the Perry pump instructions regarding muffler pressure)
Strech the regulator spring to about twice its length and reinstall then turn requlator screw in all the way.


Fuel:
15% VP racing Nitromethane
12% Klotz Super Techniplate (80/20 mix)
balance VP racing Methanol

So far this is the best combination, the engine runs very smooth and the power is cosistant without any misses during extreme manuvers.

At 2000 RPM main rotor speed the muffler bolt is 257F at 1300 RPM it is 220F. These are real time measurements taken using Omega handheld digital thermometer strapped to the skid and a K type thermocouple lead fastened to the top muffler bolt.

Make sure you fasten the canopy on with the retaining clips, it will blow off during a terminal velocity tail slide !!!!!!!

Now the motor is running strong and consistant this is an EXTREMELY good 3D machine. A rough motor makes this thing a real dog.


Additionaly the horizontal fin can be removed if you like to do fore and aft tumbles or stationary rolls. It does not pitch in fast forward flight.

NHP 710 tapered blades fly the best but are hard to see. The Gamma 700's fly okay but have better visibility since they are white. If the NHP's were white I would fly them instead. It looks very good with the white blades and yellow canopy.

squirrel
08-22-2002 Over year old.
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Frantic
Heliman
Location: The Netherlands

Hi,

Have you tried running with fuel without Nitro and 12% oil? No need for a pump with the Lötterle Carb then! Runs without a hitch on straight fuel. Also use some white selfadhesive trim (they should come in sheets also, so you can do at least half of the blades top and bottom)on your NHP's so you can see them better. And just keep on flying it. This machine is the biggest hit in Europe since Dieter Schlütter flew the first model helicopter in 1970 Just the Yanks have to be converted so so spread the word!

greetz, Frantic
08-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

I tried it with no Nitro and it was rough running. The nitro content was increased until the engine was smooth enough for me. I would like to find some one around here that could get it running on no Nitro that would save alot of money!


squirrel
08-22-2002 Over year old.
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UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

NHP Blades

I received my 3D NT about a month ago and it came with white NHP Razor blades. This thing was great to put together. The simplicity of this machine is very refreshing. I'm just now breaking in the engine on 5% CP. I don't have it tuned for power yet but it runs much smoother than the last three YS engines I've put in my Fury.

Kenny Thompson
08-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

UH-60pilot>>


What carb are you running. Do you know if the OS 60L (sx 91) will work?

Fred
08-23-2002 Over year old.
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Barron
Heliman
Location: Honolulu

Squirrel,

I have had my 3D since December of last year. I run mine on cool power 5% and it runs smooth and never skips a beat. The only negative tendency I have noticed is that it "hangs on the pipe" a little which is not uncommon with tuned pipes. The way I have eliminated much of this is by running a colder plug like the Enya #4 and richening the bottom end needle up a little to keep it "wet."

As far as running a stock OS carb etc. It is not optimum for zero or low nitro fuel because the adjustments cannot be as finite as required because of the taper of the needle, as a result you will be chasing the needle constantly from day to day. Incendentally, this is one of the only drawbacks of low nitro fuel, the needle is always sensitve and almost always needs to be adjusted on each flying session.

This is one of the reasons the Japanese engine manufactures started using high nitro in the early 80's, as it allowed for most of us normal folk to get reasonably good results and high power from engines without burning them up and alllowing them to run cool (overheating used to be a big problem for helicopters). As you know we tend to run the engines rich as compared to the airplane guys and we use the hot plugs to compensate for the "wet" mixture.

I have my needles set to 2 turns open for the main and have the bottom set at 1/2 turn open from the point that the screw sits flush with the body.

FYI, I have tried coolpower 10% in my model and it flew terrible which leads me to want to try zero nitro rather than going higher. I agree that it is definitely possible to run the 3D on 30% with more shims but it kind of defeats itself because you have to lower the compression so much to get it from detonating, you can only hope to get the power back through the use of 30%

I think the reason most people run into problems with the 3D is because they don't have the throttle curve optimised for the characteristics of the 3D (high power, lightweight and low drag drivetrain). The "unconventional" set-up of the throttle linkage is the culprit to this problem. It is important to have a little load on the engine at all times.

If the barrel opening is larger than the fuel/ air requirement of the load on the engine, the engine can exhibit lean tendencies because the velocity through the port is less than optimum or there can be some 'turbulence' in the throttle body and as a result the fuelmetering is not optimum as well, leading to detonation or kicking.

Please pardon my less than articulate explanation on this, basically you need load on the engine so the vacuum is doing it's thing!

All in all I am a big fan of the Lotterle carb. It is one of the simplest most efficient carbs I have ever used. If you dont agree.....OS will be introducing a slide carb on its new heli engine in the future, as it provides better throttle response. This is due to the concept behind the slide carb as you allow air to pass by the "gate" rather than opening a butterfly and the air has to "route" itself around a few obstacles before entering the crank.

I hope all of this makes sense and helps.

Barron
08-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

Barron>>

Mine is using a GV1 to control head speed. I mix my own fuel so it is very easy to try different ratios. When the rain stops I will try it with no nitro and your advice. Running the 3D on no Nitro would be terrific!

squirrel
08-23-2002 Over year old.
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quark3DNT
Heliman
Location: San Jose, CA

For those of you running Cool Power.
I've run Cool Power 5% since April and have put about 12 G through it. I usually empty the tank but every now and then (like Sa eve) I leave the rest in there since I'll fly on Su again.
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed I wasn't getting all of the fuel out of the tank when emptying it and it would take a long time to suck the last bit out. I also noticed that my engine was starting to run leaner and I had to richen it up.

Sooo, the other day I decided to check the felt pendulum in the tank. It was pretty hard and gummed up. I left it soaking in alcohol for 2 days and it felt much softer. Back in the heli, I was able to lean out the engine quite a bit and also, I can easily get the last drop out of the tank.

-> Check the felt every 6 months or so, especially if you're running Cool Power as their oil seems to gum up the felt more than others (I've had one other person have a worse problem where the engine actually cut out).

@Squirrel - I'm getting my own fuel this week and hope to have some results of 0% Nitro in the next couple of weeks. Klotz Heliglow is on its way. Probably altitude and humidity will have quite the effect on the engine, so I'm not quite sure if my findings will work for you (I'm in CA - warm, low humidity, 0 altitude).

Happy 3D(NT) flying!
Oliver
08-26-2002 Over year old.
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squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

Quark3DNT>>

Please let us know what ratio of Heli glo is working for you. I gave up on it went back to supertechniplate(80/20 syn/castor) and alot of the vibration cleared up, Have you melted a coupling yet? That was one of the first things to happen to mine when the felt plugged up. I got rid of the felt clunk and use a heavy metal one with a header tank on the right side.


Fred
08-26-2002 Over year old.
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quark3DNT
Heliman
Location: San Jose, CA

squirrel,

I flew with 12% Klotz Heliglow and it flew really smoothly this past weekend (90 degree weather).
Unfortunately, I'm missing quite a bit of power. Climbing flips are over after 2 and the rpm just boggs down to the point of falling from the sky in a stop-auto fashion.
Part of the problem might lie in the fact that I'm still running 3 head gaskets. I just took 2 out and will try with only 1 this week (hopefully sometime during the week).
The Lötterle carburator certainly likes the low oil content, especially in the mid range. For higher oil content, it's best to get a different needle (the standard needle is 1.5 degrees and for 5% CoolPower, the 2 degree needle is recommended - 5% CoolPower has around 18% oil content).

I did almost melted a coupling but that was due to my super low rpm (approx. 900-1000) and then I gunned it. It behaved fine but I think it slipped a little as I could smell some liner.

I'll keep you guys updated about my findings with only 1 head gasket.
If that doesn't work, I'll try thinning out CoolPower 5% with some straight methanol to get to a lower oil content.

Oliver
09-04-2002 Over year old.
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3DNT
Heliman
Location: Bodoe # Norway

Hello

I`m flying my NT with the Lotterle carb on 0% nitro and 11 % oil and i have no exstra head gasket, but i run it on a Enya 3 instead of the recommended Enya 4.

UH-60PILOT
You say you got white NHP`s? Is it Razor Pro 710?

It had been nice to tryed the NT with withe blades.
09-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

White Razor blades

Yes, I did receive white 710 Razors with my 3DNT. I didn't ask for these but that's what they sent me and I was very surprised and happy to get them in white. I didn't even know they came in white. I just assumed they only came in black.

I had the same problem with the felt fuel filter/clunk that was mentioned a few posts earlier. I installed a regular clunk and a normal in line filter and my 3D came into some nice smooth running this weekend. I'm running Cool Power 5%, Enya #4 in 85 deg weather and the performance is great.

There are two of us running the 3DNT here in Hawaii and they both run smoother than any helicopter I've seen or owned. I guess the once avoided belts have come of age. They are super quiet, efficient, cheap, strong and light.

I called Mr. Henseleit about two weeks ago and he mentioned to me that he is coming out with a carbon fiber main drive pulley that has aluminium teeth. He has had some complaints of the belts coming off but only from people running in hot weather. I asked him if he is planning on mass producing the 3DNT and he said no. He claims that he would lose control of the quality of the helicopter. He is producing about 250 kits a year and is very sensitive to the parts that are in demand. He deals with all the non-english speaking European countries and Revolution models in England deals to the english speaking countries. I think these are the only two places you can buy the 3D. I did hear that Cyberheli will be selling them soon as well. To me this is the exotic sports car of rc helicopters and I have to agree with the quote from one of the earlier posts "very reasonable for a money is no object heli". Some guys have complained that they have a concern about how well the motor would survive a crash being mounted in front. A crash is a crash but the funny thing about it is that most of the guys saying this are crashing while going backwards and therefore the engine will have a better chance anyway.

Have a good time with your 3DNT it's the best helicopter going.

Kenny Thompson
09-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Stephen
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

3DNT in stock

Hi Folks,

We do have 3DNT in stock now and will have the special gear shortly.

We are currently waiting on the second run of the Webra 91 anti-rotating engines and as soon as they are available, we will put a combo deal together.

Stay tuned
Stephen
CHRC
09-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

Stephen>>

Please let me know when you get the special Webra engine instock. I will order the engine from you. Do you plan to stock all of the parts. If you do keep a good inventory I will order from you instead of Revolution, they keep dropping the ball

Fred
09-06-2002 Over year old.
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Stephen
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

I will have the engine in 2 weeks. Would suggest you order now as I am not getting too many spares, only one for each 3DNT kit I carry plus a couple of spares.

I am gathering parts at this point, they will grow eventually as more of my kits are out on the market.

As for buying from me,

"He deals with all the non-english speaking European countries and Revolution models in England deals to the english speaking countries"

You speak Chinese???



Stephen
CHRC
09-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

You Speak Korean?

Hey Stephen,

I'm very happy to see that you will be a Henseleit distributor on this side of the planet. I'm a Blackhawk instructor pilot for the US Army and I'm currently stationed in Hawaii but I'm leaving soon for Korea. I'll be looking to order parts from you but the only problem is that all my mail will go through the US mainland before coming to Korea. The parts end up traveling about the same distance regardless of shipment from Hong Kong or England. I'd be happy to give you a try. How soon will you have the new carbon fiber pulley? Please drop me an email:

kmthompson@bigfoot.com

Kenny

Kenny Thompson
09-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

Stephen>>

I speak MasterCard. It is a very easy language too understand, FAST shipment, INSTOCK items, fair price............


Fred
09-06-2002 Over year old.
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Stephen
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Both M/C and Korean are just fine

My experience with shipping to APO locations is 2 more days, not too bad!!1

I expect to have the carbon gear shipped out to me within the next week.

Stephen
CHRC
09-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
UH-60PILOT
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Florida

Stephen,

No kidding! you speak M/C. You are too funny. Do you speak VISA?

Kenny

Kenny Thompson
09-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
3DPP
Senior Heliman
Location: Vienna/Austria

Hi Stephen
End of this week you will get a big parcel with 91AAR for the clockwise NT
Hot stuff for you,because you can´t handle my Futura with the 91AAR.
bg petertuerk
09-11-2002 Over year old.
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