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Crashed? Discussion and Photos > What happened to ColeopTer's Fury???
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

I was standing about 3 feet from Augusto when he put the heli in. I lost the heli long before he did. It was dark and the heli was very far out there. Some one from the croud was yelling lower well he was inverted piroing.

I guess it made him uneasy and he put it in. The heli was doing the mad chicken dance for a long time before they got out. By the time they where there it was already on fire (clutch let go and started on fire). Did this crash of the year slow him down? Not a bit he was back up the next morning letting it rip again when his boom broke off in the air!!!!

I don't think his flying skills has anything to do with it. I seen alot of heli's go in over the week and from people pushing there skills way to far. One guy in the night flying lasted 10 secounds because it was his first time and started out with a tail stand and lost it.

I also seen some pros put it in from pushing it hard or what they call LAYING DOWN THE SMACK hehehehe!
08-19-2002 09:48 PM
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Rotor
Key Veteran
Location: USA

I agree with Eric about Cole opter...I wish I could Show Off like he does!! (except for crashing of course) but his video's are pretty impressive to me.....

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly
08-19-2002 09:57 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

It's a fine line from impressing to depressing. Sorry Augusto, hopefully you'll have one of your helis up and can make it to our SoCal fun fly in two weeks.

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
08-19-2002 09:59 PM
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vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

SMACK DOWN BABY!!!!!!

That was some of the best flying I've ever seen.
At the end of the day on Friday and Sat the Smack daddy’s would pile in together on a station and although some pins were HOGGED it was worth it to see the flying presented. The noon day demos were calm compared to these.

Augusto bud...... IT was awesome to meet you and hang for a while and to discuss what may have happened on your 2nd loss.

Guys...... Augusto admitted the tree line and darkness got him on #1 crash but there was some kind of failure that got #2. It was quite obvious to by standers. Even if the Fury gang doesn't believe their eyes.

It was especially fun to hear James Wang bust you balls for flying TOO EXTREME........like your heli's are named from the factory.

OK all you Fury flyers................ if you haven't busted a BOOM today your just not Extreme enough!!!! SMACK it BABY.

Nolan Manley
MA Stratus-ATOM 500-K3D-TRex600Npro-Logo14
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08-19-2002 10:07 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

A Fury having a mechanical failure, I would've never guessed.

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
08-19-2002 10:12 PM
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furyextreme
Senior Heliman
Location: USA



but as long as a guy >isn't< flying in a dangerous manner, and endangering people, so WHAT if his flying seems wild?




what do you expect if the flaming @#$% buys a tail boom that was meant to be inside a fuselage. it was only 3 ply instead of 6 ply.

and yes there is a diffrence of having to push yourself to get better
but to go out and do what he did before his crash and burn .

and this is the guy that is writing a book on how to fly heli's.
please
08-20-2002 02:09 AM
 
 
beast
Veteran
Location: Laurel MD

What book?

.Beresford
08-20-2002 02:25 AM
 
 
TheWitness
Heliman
Location:

I'm not going to use my regular name because I'm not as though as coleopter when it comes to taking criticism against me and the last thing I want is to generate attacks for myself.

I was there and this is what I SAW happened. He did what a lot of us watching thought was an awesome pirouetting death spiral then came out of it also pirouetting into an inverted fast forward piro but like sluggo said the trees were behind the heli. I think that because it was so late and dark he was flying using the outline of the helicopter against the cloudy background but when he came out of the spiral the heli went in front of the dark trees so he lost the outline and couldn’t tell the orientation anymore.

When I asked him what happened instead of coming out with some lame excuse like radio failure he, unlike most of us when we crash, had the balls to admit his mistake and actually said something like “I dorked it. I couldn’t see it anymore. It was my mistake for letting it get in front of the trees and for flying when it was this dark”. I can respect that. When I asked him why was he flying so far he said it was because he didn’t want to fly close to as many people as there were watching the pilots. He’d rather lose a heli than hurting someone.

Regarding the piro flying on Saturday. You said you saw some “piro craziness”. At no point was he flying close to people or in a dangerous manner. I don’t know about you but what I saw was piro tic-tocs, traveling piro tic-tocs, piro-rolls, piro-tumbles, piro-funnels (real fast funnels with the heli almost in a vertical knife edge not those so called piro-funnels that looked more like fast piro-circling that some other people were doing), piro stalls like the XFC maneuver, an endless set of piro-loops, piro-immelmans (spelling) and all kind of piro-whatevers but the one maneuver that I loved was the piro-rolling-circle. Yes he crashed on Saturday but this time it wasn’t his fault. He was in a stall doing nothing but waiting for the heli to come down and for some reason either he lost a link or something else the tailboom broke or there was a boomstrike or something like that. I want to see how you won’t crash your heli if that happened to you. He spent the rest of the day repairing the heli and had it back up at the end of the day.

Also I went to ask him how he did the piro-rolling-circle and he was nice enough to explain it to me in detail. He explained how to go from the piro-flipping to the piro-roll and then how to slowly turn it so it would describe a circle with stick movements and everything and I understood it! as opposed to every other pilot that I went asking about how to do a maneuver who just gave me the typical lame “I don’t know I just do it” answer. They won’t tell you **** no matter what.

One thing that was pretty weird was that at no point were the flight stations full. They were even asking on the PA system why there were not that many pilots filling the stations. After seeing how they diss people after the event I can see why nobody wanted to risk being criticized like this.

Contrary to your perception I believe we just saw the bar raised to a new level where much more complex maneuvers that require a whole lot more pilot ability than the typical ones we see in the everyday demos.

I just want to express gratitude to him not only for his explanation to me but also for all the information he shares here with us. All I can say is I’m sorry for your loss but keep up the good work.

After all how many of you bashers can do a piroueting death spiral let alone a piroueting rolling circles like we ALL SAW him do??? He can do it as easy as I can do a roll over and over and he believes and tells you you could do it too.
08-20-2002 02:31 AM
 
 
Vance
Veteran
Location: York ,PA

Couple things-
Furyextreme- are you saying that he was using the wrong tailboom? 3 ply instead of 6 ply carbon?
Classic- Was Jason serious with his comment about being professionally built?
Thanks
Vince D
08-20-2002 03:36 AM
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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

I saw the second coleopter flight and he did piro a lot. I didn't notice many variations but I was talking with my friends. He was up high and the crowd was never in danger. I didn't hear a boom strike and I did see the failure happen. It looked like the tail and part of the boom just decided to depart the heli. I saw the same thing happen when flown by another pilot. A guy standing next to me predicted the failure before it happened based on what he saw at the XFC. I don't like the "it wasn't built by a pro" answer either. I can't get JK to come to my house to build the thing. The bulk of these kits are not sold to pros. A good design has the buyer in mind. A $1400 Intrepid 3D is cheaper than a $900 heli that you get to rebuild and their clutch doesn't start fires. I wonder how much it costs to upgrade the Fury to an X-Spec. Just ribbing the fury fans a little .
08-20-2002 03:37 AM
 
 
freestyle
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA USA

A $1400 Intrepid 3D is cheaper than a $900 heli that you get to rebuild and their clutch doesn't start fires.

I don't mean to knock Bergen - I've never seen their clutch start fires either - but I strongly suspect that any clutch could start a fire if the engine gets stuck at full throttle and the bell is unable to turn. Friction makes heat makes fire. Do you think there's something particularly flammable about the Fury clutch liner?

I guess Kyosho's plastic clutches probably wouldn't start a fire - they would just melt away. Heck, they do that without crashing at all.
08-20-2002 04:18 AM
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Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

Gee skyjak !>>>>edited

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08-20-2002 04:33 AM
 
 
fitenfyr
rrProfessor
Location: Port Orchard, Washington

Wow I feel like a dork!

Augusto when you get to reading this bash session I want to apologize for being the instigator I think. My original posts were not meant to start all of this. You are a good pilot and push yourself to the limits. Sometimes it can be a little scary in the station next to you, but heck Jason and Todd scare me a bit too!
My comments were meant only in jest.
Sorry again for all of this CRAP!

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
08-20-2002 05:50 AM
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Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Not trying to get flamed here, just playing devil's advocate.

The flying I saw at IRCHA this year was more extreme than any I have seen in the past. I used to think that pilots flying in this manner were trying to break their machines in the air. The Fury was originally designed with the 60 in mind. Now people are prying a 90 into those machines and jurking them around until something falls apart. Don't you think it's possible that the pilots of today are flying beyond the design parameters of the machine? Why is everyone so suprised to see them coming apart in the air? In Minatures defense, the first time they here of a tail boom breaking under the extreme loads of blinding piro rates and skreeching halts, of course they'll say they haven't heard of that one before. Of course the proper thing to do would be to investigate and upgrade the boom if that is the problem, and maybe post a warning about the problem. But how could you expect them to replace a machine that was forced to do things that they never imagined or designed it to be doing? If they're having a problem then it should be fixed, but you pilots that push the limits should consider yourself the test bed and suck it up and eat the cost.

I'm not making excuses for poor customer service, or poor quality parts (if that's the case). But you have to realize that all limits are being pushed and things will break.

Just my $.02.
Malorie

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
08-20-2002 04:40 PM
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Failure

I will repeat this for those who somehow missed it. The boom in question was a 34" 3 ply lightweight boom that was designed for use in a fuse where there is extra support. It was never slated for use alone and, in this case, that was clearly specified when it was sold in the "junk" sale. I was there. I'm sorry to hear about the model going down though, it's never something to take lightly or joke about.
Gordie
I was just told that he never flew this model on Sunday so my info might be incorrect. I thought I read the crash in question was Sunday. If so, my apologies.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
08-20-2002 05:38 PM
 
 
Helinut69
Heliman
Location:

Fury's

I saw tb and jk fly the Fury's real hard and nothing happened to their Helicopters.
Maybe people need to learn how to build better.
08-20-2002 05:44 PM
 
 
mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

just point em out ta me jas, and let me know how bad it should be.

mongo

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08-20-2002 06:40 PM
 
 
NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

Hey Jason, I suppose your also going to say that you didn't take any of the AMA cards either??
08-20-2002 07:09 PM
 
 
NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

Just forget it. Not going to bother starting a bitch fest. Which is what it looks like this thread turned out to be.
08-20-2002 08:16 PM
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

"Tim, I challange you to respond. Why can't You take better care of your customers like other heli companys out there?"


What more do you want from the guy? He has been working hard along with JK and TB to make the fury a true charge and fly heli no matter how hard you fly it. Why do you think there was over 85 furys at ircha along with many other X-cell heli's.

I don't even own a x-cell and he took the time out of his day to help me out and answer all my Q's. When the bearings went bad in two of my friends furys he sent them new clutch kits free of charge. When another friend had a bad crown gear one was mailed to him free. What more can you ask for!

What other heli companys do better then that? TT, robbe, JR ? I have had one of each and none of them have customer serves like X-cell!

Chris
08-20-2002 09:30 PM
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