rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 751 ONLINE 46 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
5 pages [ <<    <     2      3     ( 4 )     5     NEXT    >> ]3837 viewsTOPIC CLOSED
Fast Lad Performance . Ace Hobby . Esprit Model

.
.
Off Topics > AMA? - No High Speed Internet Access
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

Hello everyone from the Muncie LA Pittenger Center's FRONT DESK. The rooms do not have internet access (confused student helpers) but with a little whining on my part they allowed me to disconnect a front desk work station so I could plug in my cat5 cable. I am doing my work at the front desk smiling as the guests walk by.

Mark
08-16-2002 03:29 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
brc007
Senior Heliman
Location: Scottsdale, AZ (half hour from Phoenix)

.
08-16-2002 03:40 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Smokinjo
Senior Heliman
Location: Memphis TN

Imagine that! Gets to use the connection at the hotel front desk and can't even get the support of those folks at the AMA. And I thought it was all about the hobby. I like planes as well as helis and most anything that flies for that matter that is safe But i think the AMA oughta stand for Academy of Model Airplanes as Helis just do not get any support. Pathetic excuse for an association. Makes me sick. Maybe it will change one of these days but not likely. I'll bet when the next issue comes out Heli's and IRCHA have no more coverage than 10 pages. We oughta get some odds going on it for fun. Disgrace.
Okay I'm done now. I just hate it has to be like that.

Joe
08-16-2002 04:43 AM
 
 
Safe_Cracker
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, IL

Well you know....

I kinda understand AMA's point of view about security.I think AMA has a lot to hide in those hard drives of theres!You think they are totally honest about where all that money goes to?I don't.If you really look at it for all the money that goes to them the company sure is small.I would love to have the chance to use there computer also.If I had 1 minute and a 56k file of mine I would have a finger up there @ss for along time telling me all of there business!!Trust me, there are a lot of things to be scared about on-line!Any hoo , hope you get us couch potatoes some good pictures and now you know better to ask the AMA anything!Have a good time....
08-16-2002 04:56 AM
 
 
n9fop
Heliman
Location: Norwood Missouri

AMA

That's typical AMA for you. If they can't make some money they are not interested.
Having delt with that type of instution on several occasions I can tell you first hand that phone calls and petitions are a waste of time. If you heli guys want to get their attention. Withdraw your memberships. That will do it because the money is all their interested in.
The AMA will spend a million on a new headquarters but not a dime to advance the hobby out side of the money making endevers. The AMA has used the carrot of cheap insurance to distract from the stick of making all AMA clubs and event exclusive.

JrMc
Ps if you have a computer and scanner you can become an
AMA member for free
08-16-2002 08:36 AM
 
 


Location:

Come on Guys, think about this:

The AMA is too lame or lazy to recruit somebody to write a heli article for their recycling material. Or, is it that they are too cheap to pay somebody? With the revenue this company generates they could pay somebody easily. So along comes Mark who has pictures of the biggest event and they turn him away. If the AMA had any forethought at all, they would have welcomed him with open arms and said sure you can use the connection, but we want to use the pictures for our magazine because we have dues paying members that deserve articles covering their aspect of the hobby.

Whoever you are that says Mark is whining is jealous. For some reason I sense you wish you had a popular website that had a loyal following.

Mark is fair, helpful and friendly. I think his wanting to send us pictures is very selfless and noteworthy. He would not lose any advertising money if he DIDN'T post pictures for us.

Thank you Mark for thinking of us.
08-16-2002 09:39 AM
  WV   EDIT
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

I think we need a picture of Mark smiling at the guests

First member of Member of Bearings Anonymous
08-16-2002 01:09 PM
 
 
Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

If you feel that Mark was not treated fairly by the AMA you should write about it to your local VP or maybe to Dave Brown. Don't think that they look here to see what people think.

Also, remember the AMA possibly has information like your credit card numbers and details of any claims you may have made on its network. Would you be happy if they let anyone off the street with a laptop under his arm onto the network? I would not.

Yes, they could set up a firewall for the public to plug in. Mark would appear to be the first person (and maybe the only person) to make this request. Would you want the AMA to spend the money to install a proper firewall for the benefit of a few members? A home type firewall that costs a few hundred is not really up to job here, so the expense for the equipment and time to install and configure it could be considerable.

I know and you know that Mark is honest and would not be a threat. However, the AMA staff don't know that and if they let him in, who else would they let in? Not all AMA members are honest people.

If I was a manger at Mark's hotel, I would think twice about letting Mark connect where he did - the employee was probably out of line. The internet access in the rooms of a hotel is secured against getting into the hotel's network, the front desk has access to the network (with all the guests' details on line).
08-16-2002 06:39 PM
 
 
mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

as a manager of about 16 hotels in the CONUS, i would FIRE anyone that let a guest into the network like that. no matter how much he whines.

Copyright © 2001-2005 Mongo Consulting. All rights reserved.
08-16-2002 08:04 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

You're a pretty sucky boss. Remind me not to work for you.

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
08-16-2002 08:07 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

We wouldn't want Marks LT to get "contaminated"

First member of Member of Bearings Anonymous
08-16-2002 08:58 PM
 
 
ToddG
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Somone make a quick run down to the LHS and grab a rubber band powered planker. Show up at the AMA front desk with that in hand and I bet money you get priority access to any network connectivity that have. Might also help to grab an 80 year old retiree along the way also and take him in. Let 'em know he's just getting you started in the free flight hobby.
08-16-2002 09:15 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

as a manager of about 16 hotels in the CONUS, i would FIRE anyone that let a guest into the network like that. no matter how much he whines.

I got permission to use the front desk tonight and also Saturday night too (must be skill and clean living). I also got the ball rolling for a remote WI-FI internet connection right at the event sight. Next year I will be reporting live from the big tent. Can you say web cam?

Mark
08-17-2002 05:37 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Soul
Heliman
Location:

Old thread.... I know.

As a relatively new employee at AMA, having only been here since December, I certainly have an opinion on this issue.

I will not speak to this issue on bias, because of my affiliation with AMA but only speak from a network security standpoint.

I wont discuss data we may or may not have on the AMA network but I will address the fact that there are many application that could wreak havok once it has reached the inside portion of a LAN. In order to defend against such applications we must as a first line defense prohibit those applications from touching said network environment. While we run all appropriate firewalling/virus filtering email/clientside it is possible that an unknown application would be unknown to, for example, any major antivirus applications. I know I could write many that do not contain the average heuristics of virus bodies that those av software would have the ability to detect.

Allowing third party access to a corporate network would not be a task you could do at the drop of a dime. It is not something I would take lightly when possible information could fall into the wrong hands.

-Soul
08-15-2003 09:41 PM
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

What I wanted was internet access. Not access to your corporate network. Simply a tap ahead of your firewall were the internet enters your building.

Mark
08-15-2003 10:57 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Soul
Heliman
Location:

Well I was just pointing out problems with just providing it willy-nilly.

I know someone mentioned something about dhcp. We would have had nothing setup to provide dhcp onto our internet provided interface outside of the firewall.

Also I am not privy to any logistical reasons that AMA might have had for not providing you that connection. There is no outside tap of the internet outside of the building. Just the plain facts. In order to provide that connection to you at that time you would have had to be plugged onto our corporate side of our firewall.

Not trying to be argumentative. I would however like to point out that internet has this year been provided for someone in the heli group. So things change as businesses change.

-Soul
08-15-2003 11:38 PM
 
 
flyitall
Heliman
Location: Fontana, CA

As much money we pay the AMA they could get a internet connection for visitors to the site. If you are a member they should have a place where you can connect and do you own business.
08-16-2003 01:12 AM
 
 
mongo
Veteran
Location: Midland, Republic of TEXAS

why?
most of us use the hobby to be away from business and it's concerns, those that use it for their business, can afford to make other arangements.

Copyright © 2001-2005 Mongo Consulting. All rights reserved.
08-16-2003 01:25 AM
 
 
Vertical Limit
Senior Heliman
Location: Pennsylvania

Any buisness with a T1 has the ability to provide the Connection outside of the firewall, and if said manager sat with Mark for all of 10 minutes to upload shouldn't kill them.

Point being how many of us spend the 58 bucks a year for toilet paper, with very little in return. True they will not come in here to see the ranting but, if we all dumped AMA for some other provider, like we have a choice, lets see how fast they provide the use of the T1.
08-16-2003 02:19 AM
 
 
Rick_H
Key Veteran
Location: Boulder City, Nevada

Quote 
Point being how many of us spend the 58 bucks a year for toilet paper, with very little in return.


Let's see, how many of us drive a car? How many pay for Uninsured Motorist insurance? I don't know about you but I pay a lot more than 58 bucks a year for a lot less insurance and I don't get any Toilet paper with it.

I am a systems administrator and I can understand both sides. I do believe the AMA should consider providing access to it's members but this is not a quick thing to do. Oh you can just plug in, but a good I/S manager will consider things like his network and computer security. He will also think about security for the client. In this case Mark, If you have not heard there is a very bad worm out right now. You would want to connect any clients in the DMZ with a firewall between the client and the internet and the client and the local network.

Mark, in this case should have made prior arrangments with the AMA I/S for the access he reqested. If more members would like this type of access they should make a request to the AMA so they can budget for it and schedule some time for thier overworked I/S staff.

It sounds like Mark has made arrangements for Wireless access for members at next years event which is a positive step. Thanks Mark
08-16-2003 03:04 AM
 
 
5 pages [ <<    <     2      3     ( 4 )     5     NEXT    >> ]3837 viewsTOPIC CLOSED
Thunder Power RC . Real Raptors . Mikado Modellhubschrauber

.
.
Off Topics > AMA? - No High Speed Internet Access
  UPDATE SCREEN   PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Friday, August 29 - 10:42 pm - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie