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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > E-flight blade and Futaba Radio

midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

I understand that the blade can be controled by Futaba radios (9c).
I dont have the correct crystal yet...but the question is can you control the pitch curve and throttle curve via the radio's interface? And since the futaba has digital trims I am not so keen on using the throttle trim as a means of adusting the pitch curve as done on the stock radio.

Any hints and tips regarding this set up would be great..for instance what swash plate mode...do you use ccpm or std and the 4 in 1 converts it...stuff like that.

I guess those who have done it...what did ya do and did you gain flexibility in adjustments via the radio?

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Rich Erikson AMA 6175

06-07-2005 Over year old.

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swattley
Veteran
Location: West Milford NJ

i am looking to do the same thing just waiting for the heli to show up at my LHS.

06-07-2005 Over year old.

MadRCPilot77
Heliman
Location: Central IL

I'm kinda talking out my @ss here, but looking at the heli I would think using 120 degree CCPM setup on a computer radio would give you independent throttle and pitch curve with the stock electronics. Haven't tried it myself yet, but I plan on going to the 2-in-1 mixer and my own radio equipment (Rx & gyro.) That will for sure give me separate throttle/pitch curves, so I don't see why the stock stuff wouldn't work the same.....

Somebody try and post your results!!

06-08-2005 Over year old.

RunWhenAirborne
Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, ND

Yes, Using the 120DEG swash setup works, but you will have to adjust the swash AFR in the basic menu to get the correct servo movement. I will post later on what settings worked for me, as I am at home now and my radio and heli are at work. (I get to fly helis at work, how cool is that?) Anyway, I will post later today and any questions can be PM'd to me and I will do my best to answer them. I know I am new to the site, but I hope I can help.

06-08-2005 Over year old.

RunWhenAirborne
Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, ND

Futaba 9C** Setup for Blade CP Helicopter

*Note: [ ] Denotes Menu Screens to Select.

*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Swash plate Selection: [Parameter] Type: HELI (SR-3)

Servo Movement; Normal/Reversed: [Reverse]
1. Ail: Normal
2. Ele: Reversed
3. Thr: Reversed
4. Rud: Normal
5. Gyr: Normal
6. Pit: Reversed
7. Aux: Normal
8. Aux: Normal

Sub-trim Positions: [Sub-Trim]
1. Ail: +26
2. Ele: +38
3. Thr: 0
4. Rud: -58
5. Gyr: 0
6. Pit: -27
7. Aux: 0
8. Aux: 0

End Points (ATV): [End Point] All End Points are set to Stock 100% for all
channels because you are in CCPM mode and this will not effect a anything on this heli.

Adjusting correct movement and Orientation of servos for 120* swash plate: [Swash AFR]

Ail: +70%
Ele: -70%
Pit: -44%

Revo Mixing: [REVO. /NOR]
Mix: INH

Throttle Curve (Normal): [TH-CV /NOR]
1. 0.0%
2. 32.5%
3. 63.0%
4. 86.5%
5. 100.0%
*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Pitch Curve (Normal): [PI-CV /NOR]
1. 20.0%
2. 39.5%
3. 50.0%
4. 65.5%
5. 74.5%
*Please note: these settings are for the heli’s with the aerobatic enhancement kit already installed and operating with an 11.1v Li-Po Battery Pack. These setting may not provide adequate movement for the stock heli package.

Trim Settings: [TRIM] Adjusted by the stick trim tabs, not in the menu.
Aile: 4 (< 20)
Elev: 4 (V 52)
Thro: 4 ( 0)
Rudd: 4 (> 24)

Advanced Heli Adjustments

Throttle Curve: [THR-CURVE]
Normal: See Above Settings for Normal Throttle Curve.
IDL1:
1. 100.0%
2. 71.5%
3. 58.5%
4. 71.5%
5. 100.0%
IDL2:
1. 100.0%
2. 77.0%
3. 64.5%
4. 77.0%
5. 100.0%
IDL3: Inhibit

Pitch Curves: [PIT-CURVE]
Normal:
1. 20.0%
2. 39.5%
3. 50.0%
4. 65.5%
5. 74.5%
IDL1:
1. 9.0%
2. 21.0%
3. 38.5%
4. 51.0%
5. 72.5%
IDL2: Copy of IDL1.
IDL3: Copy of IDL1.

Gyro Sensitivity: Kept at stock settings of 50.0% up and down.
I adjusted the gyro on the heli down to about 50% of full motion on the pod. This worked for me, but they are all factory tested and may be set up in a different position.

I also adjusted my pitch control rods for each blade OUT one full turn. I found this to really help with the jumpy pitch movement throughout the pitch curve.

06-08-2005 Over year old.

midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

Now that's a post...

Everyone thanks you for the info....I will be progamming tonight.

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Rich Erikson AMA 6175

06-08-2005 Over year old.

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mobywho
Senior Heliman
Location: Duluth, GA

Is there a kit that do not have any electronic at all?
I already have a Hummingbird FP that I can take the electronic over.

06-08-2005 Over year old.

RunWhenAirborne
Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, ND

The Blade CP will have an airframe set for about $100, but it isn't out yet, and I don't expect to see them until later this summer. If you want to check a more accurate ETA the part number is: EFLH1101

06-09-2005 Over year old.

Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Bare Bones BCP is available now from Horizon Hobbies for $99.99. Got mine last Week.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/...p&OverallCatID=

Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
Major USAF
Retired

06-09-2005 Over year old.

RunWhenAirborne
Heliman
Location: Grand Forks, ND

I guess it is, sorry for the missinformation. I must have read my website wrong.

06-09-2005 Over year old.

swattley
Veteran
Location: West Milford NJ

what does it include ? i would love to buy the heli with out the radio

06-09-2005 Over year old.

Paul Hinz
Senior Heliman
Location: Oostburg, WI

The Bare Bones Airframe contains the complete Airframe with motors and blades. It is missing all the radio equipment (no reciever, speed controls, gyro, or servos).

Paul

06-09-2005 Over year old.

pkh
Heliman
Location: Emmaus, PA

Blade 4-in-1 xtals??

Anyone know if Futaba or Hitec single conversion xtals work in the Blade 4-in-1 unit? E-Flite only sells a few xtal freqs, and they don't have mine...

Paul
Two Raptor 50V2s
JR Venture 30CP
Two Shoguns
Blade CP

08-16-2005 Over year old.

mobywho
Senior Heliman
Location: Duluth, GA

pkh,

Have you check out this thread?

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t187700p1/

08-16-2005 Over year old.

pkh
Heliman
Location: Emmaus, PA

Cool... Thanks! Looks like the Futaba single-conversion xtals work... I'll have to give one a try so I can use my 9C with my Blade!

Paul
Two Raptor 50V2s
JR Venture 30CP
Two Shoguns
Blade CP

08-16-2005 Over year old.

midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

futaba single conversion is a yes.

the settings above...a no
I had to change the settings a lot to get the radio to work...it might be a starting point for you though...
this winter when I have nothing to do...I am going to reprogam from scratch...cause there are things I don't like about the set up now..but it is working so I live with it...ie sub trims way out of whack and stuff.

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175

08-17-2005 Over year old.

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blueline
Heliman
Location: Eastern NC

Settings for 7C?

Can anyone post settings for a 7C TX? I'd really like to get it working w/ my 7C. Thanks, Jim

08-17-2005 Over year old.

mobywho
Senior Heliman
Location: Duluth, GA

RunWhenAirborne

Could you please explain how the value in the "Swash AFR" come about. I been searching and reading on the subject and still do not understand. When I set all 3 setting to "0" nothing work.
Please explain how to setup Swash AFR is possible.

08-24-2005 Over year old.

stealth916
Veteran
Location: Rocklin, CA

Setting your swash AFR to 0 is like setting your servo end points to 0. So nothing is supposed to happen.

Swash AFR is like end points for heli swash plates. Changing from negative to positive rates - is like reversing the servo direction.

From the Futaba manual: "Swash AFR reduces/increases/reverses the rate (travel) of the AIL, ELEV, and PITCH functions, adjusting or reversing the motions for ALL SERVOS INVOLVED for that particular function."

So SWASH AFR is like END POINT and REVERSE settings for the WHOLE swash.

08-24-2005 Over year old.

rbiasi
Senior Heliman
Location: La Costa, CA - USA

blueline,

I use a Futaba 7CHP with my Honeybee 2 CP (same heli). The setup should be the same. Here's what I've got:

For DR, EXP I have the AIL and ELE set at 140%, RUD set to 100%, I have the EXP set to 0 on and -5 depending on switch A setting.

Endpoints are all left at 100%

For servo REVERSE, channels 1 and 3 are reversed. The rest are normal.

SWASH is set to HR3 with AIL=65%, ELE=65%, PIT=50%.

For PARAMETER set MODUL to PPM

My Normal throttle curve is (P5 to P1) 100, 85, 70, 35, 0

My Normal pitch curve is (P5 to P1) 85, 70, 60, 47.5, 40

REVO is set to INH since the mixer does this for you.

Additionally TH-CRV 1 is set to 80, 70, 50, 70, 80. TH-CRV 2 is set to 75, 75, 75, 40, 0. PI-CRV 1 is set to 85, 62.5, 40, 25, 10. PI-CRV 2 85, 74.5, 63, 51.5, 40. But I haven't really played around with these too much.

This was the first setup that I did with my 7CHP. So looking back I can't remember why I did some of the things this way. But it works and the Honeybee flys the same as it does with the stock TX.

08-27-2005 Over year old.

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