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e-Ark X-400 - MX400 > garbage or what?
 
 
rpat
Veteran
Location: Weirton, W. Va.

Man this is all that I am reading about this bird , is how far every thing is out of round and crappy. I was concidering buying this one or the trex, but all that I am reading on both sites is how you have to go to after market parts just to get it to fly. To me buying after market parts should improve the bird not having to buy them just to get them to fly.
One of the guys at my field brought out a hornet x3d stock out of the box and he did every trick in the book with it.
I think that i am going to get the Hornet. Can any one change my mind?
Rich
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Hornet is a wonderful piece of machine. At the same time X400 is also good. I didnot have a single issue while building it. Minor build issues are common with all the helis.
I have had about 10mins of flying (Hovering) on X400, not much to say how it flys but, it was amazing. Hope the british winds calm down and at the same time i get some time to fly it
These 2 machines are a different leagues... Hornet is thrilling but expensive to maintain or in a crash, X400 feels much more stable, very relaxing and cheaper to maintain...

05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
kgtjan01
Heliman
Location: NJ

rpat,

I have Eco 8, Hornet XP, Hornet X3D, and recently got ARK X-400. Since I am still building the X-400, I cannot tell and compare the flying characterstics between two Hornets and X-400. However, I can comment on what I have been feeling on kit quality while building X-400. The overall kit quality of X-400 is about the same as that of Hornet and Eco kits. I rate myself as a picky person but I cannot really tell which has superior kit quality. Overall they are all equally well produced kits. Yes, I found X-400 main gear slightly off centered but it is not surprising that I found that much irregularity in the main gears in Eco 8 and the two Hornets as well that I have built. Unlike my 30 size gas helis (Kalt ZR and Kyosho 32VR), the teeths of micro main gears are relatively fine and therefore, small amount of irregularity can appear critical. I myself was a bit disappointed after finding off-centered main gear (since I hoped ARK kits are better than Hornets), but the irregularity is not that much that you can overcome it by carefully adjusting the motor position. Currently, one part of the main gear touches the pinion quite tight and the other part with a little gap to the pinion - I think it should be okay. Unlike others in this forum, I didn't have any problem with ball link size - all ball links perfectly fit the balls.

I was wondering what to buy between Trex and X400 but I realized I made a good choice after taking a look at Trex at a LHS this past weekend. Again since I didn't fly these helis, I cannot tell about flying characterstics, but in terns of overall design (and plastic quality), I believe X-400 is definitely on the edge (over Trex). X-400 is in my opinion a real small sized heli without compromise of full size helis. I really like the stacked 4 piece metal main frame and tight moving parts, among others.

In comparison to Hornets, X-400 is scaled down version of full size helis while as hornet micros look unblanced with fragile look, at least to me. X-400 is quite heavy compared to hornets but the overall length of x-400 is only a few inches longer than hornets, and this will surely make X-400 more stable and more fliable in windy situation. Side by side, Hornets look like kids toys, X-400 looks like little version of full size gas heli. There is little slop in moving part of X-400. Hornet X3D does not have much slop either due to the CCMP configuration. Compared to X-400 ($159), I think Hornet X3D (almost $200) seems way overpriced. (switching the price between these two may make more sense to me), I think beginners will definitely take adavantage of the heavy X-400 over Hornets. One pitfall of X-400 is that the manual does not explain much on critical aspects on building such as where to apply lock tites and etc. also no mention on ratio setup and flight adjustments, which may give hard time to beginners, although one can find these information somewhere on the web.

BTW, I also found a few minor parts (such as bolts and nuts) missing from the kit, but it did not overshadow the main advantage of X-400 (The missing parts were priority mailed immediately to me by Dennis at Dee Tee when I mentioned it)

My X-400 is almost in completion and looking forward to trying it. Every moving parts are quite tight so I expect decent flying characteristics.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

I had a few screws missing myself, but no big deal, its just screws. but I second what kgtjan01 said, with smaller machine even the slightest deviation in manufacturing looks magnified.
If you have experience building (as i see from your profile you have good big fleet), then you wont have as much problems with the X400. Just my 2cents.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rckrzy1
Elite Veteran
Location: Hurst Texas

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I had a few screws missing myself, but no big deal, its just screws.


So why not put a whole bunch of extras in the kit like the Trex ?



Wildcat Fuels
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

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So why not put a whole bunch of extras in the kit like the Trex ?
lol.
But, overall the kit is a BETTER quality.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rpat
Veteran
Location: Weirton, W. Va.

Thanks 01, and rameshpat for your in depth comments on my delima. These minis started out as mini choppers to be flown inside when they first came to being. Now it seems like every thing else that is for sale...bigger...faster.....cheaper seems to be all the rage. I too thought that the little bigger helis would and they are more stable in windy conditions but to my way of thinking as all of these miniatures are just shrunk down versions of their big brothers. Lets face it the trex looks like a raptor from the swash up and an evo from the swash down. ON the other hand the Hornet has it own unique look and to my way of thinking if I am going to own one of these mini's then it should look like a mini, and the Hornet fits the bill.
I fly with a fella that has one of the first Hornets when it first came out and he had a lot of issues with it at first, but after seeing the x3d fly out of the box I was impressed
01, what is the green colored one in your pix? Is that a hornet?
Rich
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Hornet II. That is my pet. I learnt flying with that. I have a couple of pics in my gallery - the same machine with yellow canopy and t/r carriage , might want to look at.
If you hang in while building it and setting it up, it is amazing piece of machine. You wont be disappointed if you want to go all out 3d with that machine. I am not a pro, just a beginner but I have seen videos and seen someone flying it couple of times - It is only one of its kind - very agile, smooth.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Just to add- from what i have heard, X3D is a more refined version of Hornet II. You dont have to solve some (building) jjigsaws of H2's on the X3Ds.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rpat
Veteran
Location: Weirton, W. Va.

Ram,
Nice pics. I wish you could have seen the show that this fella put on with his x3d it was awsome....it impressed the heck out of me
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Swashplate
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Hornets are amazing, once you get the hang of the machine, even building them or repairing them will be breeze, lot easier than any other machine of its class, cos it is actually a very simple and straight forward design.
I wish I had been to Sandown Park model symposium (UK's premier model show) which was last weekend (Sat & Sun). There is Bob of skyline models UK who is very very proficient with hornets, havent seen him fly yet, but have spoken to him over the phone (to order bits for my hornet and some advice), very helpful and down to earth.They say he flys them as big nitros.. He was there i believe flying Stinger 3. Was raining on sat and was persistantly windy. i believe there wasnt much action. Dont know if he had a chance to fly the hornets. It would have been worth watching him.
05-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
mnb5
Heliman
Location: Zurich/Switzerland

Hornets are the best kits out there. definitely. i got a zoom 400, an x-400 and a hornet. Out of the box, the hornet is about 10 times better then both of them. but, the spare parts are MUUUUUCH overpriced. If you are a beginner, don't get a hornet. they are excellent for 3d but less stable as the x-400. If you want to get a VEEERY stable machine with cheap spare part, get a x-400 and buy a t-rex head...

hope this helps
mnb5
06-03-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rpat
Veteran
Location: Weirton, W. Va.

thanks for the advice guys. After we went flying this past Monday we went and grabbed a bite to eat at a shopping mall and after we ate we went out in the parking lot witch was wide open so we got out the electrics and flew. I flew my Tensor and the other two flew their hornets. One is an original that the fella has modified and the other was the X3d that I mentioned before. Both of these guys fly them 3D. It was great.
I see an x3d in my future.
Rich
06-04-2005 Over year old.
 
 
soundbwoy
Senior Heliman
Location: Fort Lauderdale

RPat, one thing to remember is the X-400 is in demad and in the process of getting things out to the consumer you will have some quality control issues I would thing if you wrote a nice letter to the manufacturer they would replace the parts free of charge and be very careful in new productions.

Fly Hard… Crash Harder… Have Fun!!
06-04-2005 Over year old.
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