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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Saw something REALLY UGLY at the flying field today
 
 
driftrider
Veteran
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA. (In my own little world)

Raymond,

So what you're saying is that, regardless of the hover area's location, if some airplane idiot, I mean pilot, flys over it it is in the wrong place? So what if they move it to a perfectly logical location and the plankers still fly through it? It seems to me that the hover area should be a NO FLY ZONE for planks when there are helis in operation. That's the way it is in my club. If a planker flys into it's his bad, not the pilot hovering there, and he should be repremanded or kicked off the field. Especially if he's doing it on purpose. I think that planks and helis CAN co-exist in the same airspace, but it requires the conscious effort of both the plankers and heli pilots to make it happen. If even one person recklessly, negligently, or intentionally tries to undermine the effort it just won't work.

Mike
08-10-2002 07:45 PM
 
 
Angelos
Key Veteran
Location: nr Oxford, OX11, UK

Our club shares the field of a community association. The field has several football pitch, cricket pitch etc. Over the weekend models have priority over a certain part of the field and every other activity (rare on the weekends) takes place behind the flight line. However this arrangement is not always possible and football may takes place in our heli area thus there is no heli flying these days. The bad thing is that we always find out once we get to the field. Anyway, when football takes place in that space it is strictly no flying space for safety reasons and if someone does intentionally or not it could be brought for discussion at the next club meeting.

However, when we are there with the helis certain plankers keep over-flying us as we are not included in their safety rules. You wouldn’t believe it but a 15 year old who is allowed to fly solo rolled the plane inverted on take off and almost crashed in the hover area. I brought it forward to a meeting once and nothing happened. The only solution I see is to take a ball with me next time and play football to keep them out of our space.
08-10-2002 08:07 PM
 
 
Raymond
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Ireland

Driftrider

Believe it or not, I do sympathise, and if was the odd errant fool then it would be a case of reprimand him, but as it appears to be a regular thing then moving the hover area has got to be considered. If its considered intentional then video it and send it to the AMA ?

If the others always fly that end of the runway then unless there is some reason unknown to me it would make sense to move it the other end ?

I treat the fixed wing flyers in my club with respect and they do the same for me (with the exception of one idiot who I ignore) mainly because they were there first and there are more of them ... majority rules ? democracy ?
08-10-2002 08:13 PM
 
 
Barjam
Heliman
Location: Olathe Kansas

We have a seperate heli only field in our area. I think this is the best solution, whily helis and airplanes can coexists it isn't fun for either group to wait while the other group is done. Flying patterns with a heli, while doable, isn't fun.

It has been my experience that heli flyers are "generally" more knowledgeable and safety conscience than the airplane flyers. I fly both (mostly heli now) and I would say that helis are MUCH safer to fly. I have seen many fingers ate up in props, while I have yet to see a heli injury (although I am sure they happen).

I have a young son (5) that I sometimes take to the heli park with me, I would never take him to the airplane park.
08-11-2002 08:30 AM
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

Raymond,

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It doesnt take a genius to say that if people fly through your hover zone, no matter where it is, then its time to move it !!


No, it takes someone who's never seen the field, never seen the offending plankers, never seen the hover zone, never heard the comments about intentionally interfering with the helis, and finally, someone that apparently wants to justify and make excuses for people that can't, and in some cases intentionally won't, control their models in a safe manner.

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Believe it or not, I do sympathise, and if was the odd errant fool then it would be a case of reprimand him, but as it appears to be a regular thing then moving the hover area has got to be considered.


No Raymond I don't think you do. I get the distinct impression that you condone poor piloting skills on the part of plankers. As I said before, heaven forbid that anyone expect people to learn from their mistake and to do their best to not repeat it 50 freaking times. The most common mistake a planker makes is to haul the nose up into a stall the minute their wheels leave the ground. It doesn't take very much to learn to keep the nose down and let it gain speed before trying to go vertical. If this skill can't be learned then the pilot has no business doing takeoffs solo because they are endangering everyone at the field.

I direct your attention to the AMA safety code which states;

General:

3) Where established, I will abide by the safety rules for the flying site I use, and I will not willfully and deliberately fly my models in a careless, reckless and/or dangerous manner.

Radio Control:

2) I will not fly my model aircraft in the presence of spectators until I become a qualified flier, unless assisted by an experienced helper.

(My comment on this one is that if you make the same mistake repeatedly then you are not a qualified flier.)

3) I will perform my initial turn after takeoff away from the pit or spectator areas , and I will not thereafter fly over pit or spectator areas, unless beyond my control.

I think that just about covers what we're talking about. Now given that the hover zone can't be moved, and that every time a plank flies through it they can be considered to be flying over the pits because they are flying behind the active runway flightline, I'd say that the offending planks are in violation of both AMA and club safety rules. And if it is beyond their control and they keep doing it over and over again then they should be under supervision of an experienced and qualified pilot. Given that, you are trying to defend the indefensible Raymond.

And yes, we've been the AMA route before at other clubs (see my link in my prior post) and the AMA has done nothing to alleviate the situation to any degree of satisfaction for the heli pilots. Our district VP openly doesn't like helis and wishes they would go away. That is what the AMA does for heli pilots in my area.

So how much more do you want to go on defending these people?
08-11-2002 05:15 PM
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Raymond
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Ireland

Dragon

I wont even bother to read the detail of your last post, the reason being that you seem content to just "bitch" about problem and not do anything about it.

If it was me and I had persistant problems, the easiest thing ( and probably the safest ) short term is to move somewhere else.

The SMART thing is to get on the comittee and do something about it instead of telling a lot of people who dont use your field that you have a problem.

And before you say it, dont tell me you cannot get on the comittee, if enough people support you you can, and if not enough people support you then there must not be a significant problem.

As for me not having seen your field? How many people on runryder have seen it ?

Why complain as if to seek sympathy and help if you dont want to take a blind bit of notice.

This is my last word, I have more important things to do with MY life even if you dont.

Bye

Raymond
08-11-2002 06:34 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

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I wont even bother to read the detail of your last post, the reason being that you seem content to just "bitch" about problem and not do anything about it.


Of course you won't, because it proves you wrong, again. And btw, you have no clue what I do and don't do about it. Plus I do believe it was you that began this by making excuses for these people and basically said that we heli pilots should allow ourselves to be walked over to accomodate plankers that can't or won't follow the rules.

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If it was me and I had persistant problems, the easiest thing ( and probably the safest ) short term is to move somewhere else.


Ah, run away rather than work the issue hold those responsible accountable for their actions, how quaint. Of course you've repeatedly igonored what was said to you about not being able to relocate the hover zone. And apparently the AMA safety code means nothing either.

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The SMART thing is to get on the comittee and do something about it instead of telling a lot of people who dont use your field that you have a problem.


That is in progress. But as I pointed out, it is you that began this by making nothing but excuses for these people.

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And before you say it, dont tell me you cannot get on the comittee, if enough people support you you can, and if not enough people support you then there must not be a significant problem.


Not too familiar with club politics are you?

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As for me not having seen your field? How many people on runryder have seen it ?


Funny, you're the only one so far that's had a hard time grasping the concept of what's going on. So who's fault is that?

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Why complain as if to seek sympathy and help if you dont want to take a blind bit of notice.


Hey, you decided to chime in and make excuses for these people and you don't like being proven wrong with every arguement you've thrown up since. Again, who's fault is that?

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This is my last word, I have more important things to do with MY life even if you dont.


Whatever.
08-11-2002 07:16 PM
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