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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > ProLite cell for Ion pack
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

You can see the specs and price at http://www.tppacks.com/products.asp?cat=10

Scroll down and you should be able to find 5s2p's and 10s2p's

David
03-02-2005 05:24 AM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

So i couldnt go wrong with your set up your saying? So your sayin that i couldnt do all that myself with my own equipment, what your sayin is its just makin your chargin methods idiot proof?

Lets say that your cells become unbalanced after several, and i mean several charges, i would have to buy your cell balancer to correct the problem correct?

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I think the taps are great. I have checked mine after a couple of charges. All taps @ 4.21 volts with full charge. My problem with all the fancy cell balancing chargers is you can't see the voltage, still a mystery. I like to see it for my self and most of the cell balancing products will cost you another $60.00-80.00 for each pack with multiple chargers.


Im just tryin to get a grasp for the need to spend another $60 - $80 on a cell balancer, when we can balance the cells ourself with the supplied Tanic Tap that is provided with Tanic Batteries!

And if i get a swelled cell on my Tanics i can be reassured that i will get them back from a 1week to 3 weeks at most.

Ive personally seen how long it takes for your cells to be replaced, and if i am gonna be down that long for repairs than i would look at other Lipo cell manufacturers no matter what, i dont care whos got the best charging methods, whos has the best discharge rate, i care about being in the air, i care about great customer service, i care about fast turn around time on swelled cells.

Most Of All I dont care who makes them, as long as i dont have to worry about months of down time, Manfuacturers and Reps can preach what they got all they want, But for us guys that arent sponsered pilots and reps, we just want somethin that takes care of our needs in this hobby, Let it Be Tanics, Thunder Power, Or Flight Power. Its the Joe Blow Nobody that should be givin his input and reports on there cells.

Karl Nelson

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 05:24 AM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

And Yes I'm Joe Blow Nobody!


Karl

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 05:33 AM
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

Karl I am not a rep or sponsered by anyone
However I have never tried Tannic so I cann't give you any input on them. My feeling is you are going to have to wait a couple more week until there is more guys using them.
But if there is anything more I can tell you please let me know and I willl see what I can do

David
03-02-2005 05:34 AM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

I Just want the Joe Blow Nobody to give his input and personel experience, with these or any packs, im tired of Manufacturers and Reps Givin There input, they have to give positive input because they are sposered buy the manufacturer.

Karl

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 05:41 AM
 
 
lawrenmd
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando FL.

I agree with Karl, reliability is the most important aspect for me. Bad cells mean no flying for weeks, and when you don't gett much free time this is a major draw back of electrics. Addiotnally we are talking about a significant investment, $800 per set for the Ion, if I invested enough in batteries to allways have spare sets I would go broke. The frustration with the batteries has made me reconsider buying a gas heli to replace the Ion and keep the smaller e-helis.

PS: I am Joe Nobody as well, so take it for what its worth.

Dave
03-02-2005 02:44 PM
 
 
Thunder Power
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

Karl,
I designed the first TP pack with balancing connector in 2003, won the best product at the show (SEFF)

I gave out production because:
1)Tap provide access to check/balance battery , if you forget to check each cell voltage before charging, then the tap is doing nothing for you
2)Balancer/or manual balancing do not have the same level of safety compare to safety PCM, it may reduce 90-95% of possible danger

In 2004, I designed and manufactured the buildin safety PCM for E-flite Li-Poly batteries for Horizon Hobby
I also designed and manufactured, the builtin safety PCM for Thunder Power batteries export to Japan (3200,4000,4200,6000,8000series)

In late 2004, all 4000,6000,8000s batteries export to Germany incorperated with Multiplex 6 pins connector for balancer

Our newest balancer to be released in 2 to 3 weeks raise the safety level equal to safety PCM with auto shut-off for overvoltage protection when used with our new charger.
Audio and LED warning system for overvoltage also incoperated in the balancer

The safety/balancer connector provide access to check individual cell voltage, whether you want to spent $55 to $60 for addtional safety auto balancer is your own choice

Regards,
Charlie

PS: Dave,I understand your concern and totally agree with you, that is why Thunder Power discontinued the Ion pack in just 4 months and replaced with Gen2 Lite.
Today, we finally achieved the goal for a reliable and more powerful Pro Lite cell for the Ion pack
03-02-2005 03:06 PM
 
 
sailmike
Senior Heliman
Location: Northridge, California, USA

That's great, but what about customer service? If something should go wrong with the cells despite the cell balancing and protection circuits, will they be replaced quickly? Or would we have to wait months for the cells to be replaced?

Thanks,
Mike
03-02-2005 05:55 PM
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

I must be very lucky, I have sent some Thunder Power packs in to be fixed, but the most I have waited is two week
David
03-02-2005 06:47 PM
 
 
RV_7A
Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

Tantic Packs

Hey guys,
I have a set of 6660's on order from Bobby. I definetly fall into the "Joe Blow" category since I am in todays standards a novice flyer. I should have the packs by the 14th or 15th and I will post my own experiences with these batteries. You won't get any 3D feedback cause thats not my skill level. Im looking for a good run time on a stock ION-X and thats about it.

Jeff B.

Fly till ya die!
03-02-2005 07:21 PM
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Flyinrazrback
Veteran
Location: Shreveport LA

I have the TP 8000s and TP 6600s, so far they are working fine. I plan on ordering some tanic 7350s though with the taps.
03-02-2005 07:24 PM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

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Today, we finally achieved the goal for a reliable and more powerful Pro Lite cell for the Ion pack


There ya go preaching again!

Charlie, Dont get me wrong im not tryin to insult you or your bussiness. im just tired of seeing people buy your packs, fly some flights, and end up sending them back to be fixed. If you say your Cell Balancer is not really needed, then why make one at all. But you also say you cant go wrong using it to Balance Cells.


Too Me thats like selling me aBrand New Truck and Sayin This Item Here Will Help It Run Right, But You Dont Need To Buy It. If the Truck Brakes Down Enough, Under Alaska State Lemon Law They Have To Replace It For Free!

Yes I See Your Backs Have Good Power, So Do My Tanics.

One Thing To Consider Here, Your Customer Can Tell People Better than Your Reps What A Good Battery IS, So Why Not Just Let Them Tell It Here!

Me Personally, Im Gonna Stick With Tanics, for the Fact that I know Tanics will take Care of My Needs as a Customer!

Karl

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 08:47 PM
 
 
Thunder Power
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

There ya go preaching again!

Charlie, Dont get me wrong im not tryin to insult you or your bussiness. im just tired of seeing people buy your packs, fly some flights, and end up sending them back to be fixed. If you say your Cell Balancer is not really needed, then why make one at all. But you also say you cant go wrong using it to Balance Cells.

Karl,
Please read my previous posts
1)Balancing is most likely not required with the Pro Lite cell

2)The reason to use Safety/balancer is because TP balancer is the only auto cell count balancer which provide overcharge protection for all pack (2s to 5s with TP504 balancer 2S to 13S with TP 1304 balancer)

3)With taps along, Thunder Power or Tanic, there is no absulute safety unless you monitor battery condition throughout the charging process (do not charger battery unattended, balance or not)
HOPE I DO NO HAVE TO EXPLAIN OVER AND OVER TO YOU

To prevent fire, you have to monitor your battery during charging, by charging battery attended or with electronic monitoring.....even if the battery is perfectly balance

Only Polyquest PCM and Thunder Power safety/balancer can do that electronically

Regards,
Charlie
03-02-2005 09:10 PM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

ReRead My Post!
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i dont care whos got the best charging methods, whos has the best discharge rate, i care about being in the air, i care about great customer service




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HOPE I DO NO HAVE TO EXPLAIN OVER AND OVER TO YOU


Seems To Me Your Showing Your Additude, About Customer Feedback! Is That Anyway To Treat a Customer! I Am Just Sayin How I Feel About TP Packs and Ther Products!

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Only Polyquest PCM and Thunder Power safety/balancer can do that electronically


Thats Fine, Seems To Me That It Should Be Included in the Cost Of The Battery and Sold With The Pack!

If You Want To Talk About This You Can Call Me At (907)-442-3398

Karl Nelson

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 09:28 PM
 
 
Flyinrazrback
Veteran
Location: Shreveport LA

The gloves are coming off lol! What I would like to know is, when are the prices of these big lipolys going to come down to where they are more economical. I have heard, its cheaper with electric over the long run, but for the guy who needs 4 sets (8 batteries) to last him a days flying, thats $3200 just for batteries. I think the prices need to come down before electrics are going to take off. This happened with airplanes. When powerflite 2 cell 2000 lithium ions came out, they were $75 each! Now you can buy the newer 2350s for $24, which is good for the average modeler. I think most would agree that in a very near future the prices are going to have to come down. Just my .02. Sorry, didnt mean to jump in your arguement.
03-02-2005 09:39 PM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

Im Done With Him!
He Has already shown his response toward Customer FeedBack!

Here is a PM I Received From a Fellow RR Member,
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Hi freezin Eskimo, I agree, I tried calling, emailing, pm'ing him about his batteries, no response. I hope my TP batteries last, but my next ones will be tanics.

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TP had the market cornered for batteries for the ION, but now hopefully tanic and more will come online to bring the prices down, even at the same price they are now, I will take it if the customer service is better than TP.


Its Not Just Me, Its other Members in the Hobby with the Same Concern!




Karl

Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 09:48 PM
 
 
Skippy
Senior Heliman
Location: Flint, MI USA

Hi Charlie,

Please don’t think everyone is picking on TP or your products. TP batteries are a excellent battery for the Ion-X, the problem is with the customer service and turnaround time for repair. Is TP doing anything to remedy the situation.

With all the problems everyone has experienced with the batteries (Original, Gen II, Gen II Lite) will you offer any upgrade program?

One thing you mentioned caught my attention. If we use your cell balancer and charger, could one charge the batteries unattended? I do always watch mine when charging and it would be great to not baby sit the batteries.

Went all Electrons, No more mess
03-02-2005 10:34 PM
 
 
mmercer
Heliman
Location: San Diego

I've dealt plenty with TP and experienced good customer service and quick turnaround. "No Crying Here"
03-02-2005 11:08 PM
 
 
freezin Eskimo
Senior Heliman
Location: Eden, South Dakota Population = 97

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Just Enjoy The Ride!
03-02-2005 11:12 PM
 
 
Thunder Power
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

Hi Skippy
We are trying very hard to improve customer service and catching up with production at the same time
We are making 3 times the batteries now compare to last year.

Most of the time, we handle customer service well, but in every business, there are times that parts are not available or change of employee that degrade customer service in isolated cases

As far as Upgrade program, I will call for a meeting to see if we can come up with a good program

Thunder Power safety/balancer is a 3 in 1 device:

1)Safety circuitry to monitor charging in progress and terminate charging if any cell charge to 4.3V
2)Balancing, auto by-pass balancing if balance is better than 0.005V, balance in action begin at 4.185V if balance is 0.006V to 0.02V
balance in action begin at 4V if balance is 0.021V to 0.1V
balance in action begin at 3.7V if balance is poorer than 0.1V
3)Cell count verification, compare number of good cell in the pack with the charger (zero error cell count sellect)

This is as save as a labtop batteries with TI balancing chip

Regards,
Charlie
03-03-2005 12:44 AM
 
 
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