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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > Century PG2000 v2 gyro - how to get 2 gains?
 
 
ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

http://centuryheli.com/manuals/hk4m...yro_install.gif

Andrew/oldfart/anyone who owns/uses this gyro...

I do not understand the instructions. I am using this on an Airtronics RD6000 Super.

I'm flying my heli fine with it but want to take advantage of the dual gain feature. Right now I fly in normal mode all the time.

The instrucations seem to indicate that somehow I can switch between two gains with a switch on my radio.

The RD6000 Super has a gyro channel - this is what is connected on the rx to the gyro's input. The rudder channel also goes to the gyro. Gyro output goes to the rudder.

I can adjust the gain from my RD6000 Super - no problem.

How the heck do I switch from gain I to II??? There is no additional connector on the gyro for me to plug into a 7th channel (if I had one) to switch between gain I and II.

Someone kindly pointed out that maybe I just set up flight mode 1, and have a different gain there.

This makes great sense, but does not seem to jive with the instructions - and then how does the gain res pot play into this. If I just use flight modes to switch gains, i don't have 2 different ranges of gains, I just have 2 different gain settings in one range (i.e. 50% gain in normal is 50% gain in flight mode 1, whereas the instructions seem to indicate that mode 2 (gain II) would have a lower range).

Is this just a manual typo/confusion? The picture in the manual shows 2 gain pots on the gyro - clearly this is a pic of the older non-remote gain gyro. Did they mix up parts of the instructions?

Thanks
Nick
06-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
bhelisN6
Heliman
Location: Fremont, California

Hello Nick,

You are correct, the photo on the web is of the older PG2000 that was dual rate but the gain settings were controlled by the two pots on the gyro unit itself.

With the PG2000 IIR, there is one pot for Gain Resolution and the LED, the casing is the same and Century has covered over the other hole. Actually, under the hole is an empty space on the pcb.

On the RD6000, the red connector (remote gain lead) should be connected to channel 5, the gear switch on the radio (may be called something else).

Setup
- Initially set the gain resolution to 50%.
- Using ATV on channel 5, set position 0 (switch set back) to 75%
- Set position 1 (switch set forward) to 65%.

These settings will get you flying. Once you are comforable hovering the helicopter, maybe a little forward flight, then consider tweaking the gyro. At this later time, you will be much better prepared to make changes and actually feel the change, beginners have far too many things to worry about to really feel the difference between 65% and 75% gain.

To cover the bases, when you are comfortable with hovering, continue to increase the position 0 gain setting until you are happy with the gain (defined as hovering on a windy day, a higher gain setting will resist the desire to weathervane into the wind - a lower gain setting will allow the same wind to easily weathervane into the wind). Even at the maximum gain setting the tail will still weathervane.

Why Gain 2 then? When you are well into forward flight and you have adjusted the gyro to the maximum gain for hovering manuevers, you will experience a tail oscillation when changing from hovering into forward flight. This is a result of transitional lift. Hovering requires the most power from the engine, greatest fuel consumption and highest engine heat. As soon as you start flying forward, the helicopter engine requires less power to continue flying because there is airflow under the rotor disk as a result of forward motion. This reduction in engine power also reduces the torque on the helicopter and now the gain setting is too high. Conclusion, use a second, lower Gain setting for forward flight.

There is another common situation, I fly with one gain setting for both hovering and forward flight. While I am hovering, I need to fly the tail more to keep a constant heading in a cross wind but I do not need to worry about flipping a switch. To each their own.

Andrew
06-30-2002 Over year old.
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ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Andrew
Thanks for the reply. The way you describe using the gyro would apply to a radio that has a switch for gear or something?

The RD6000 Super has a "gyro" channel that is fully programmable, and you can actually go down the menu for this channel and program the "gain". I have mine set to 65%.

This is in normal flight mode. I can program a different gain in flight mode 1 (for forward flight).

It sounds like what you are describing is just this, but with a radio that has only a switch for the gyro channel, and ATV to adjust the value at either switch position. This is what was confusing me - this is what the instructions say to do - but if I understand how modern computer radios work, this is not necessary as switching from hover mode (normal mode on my radio) to forward flight (flight mode 1 on my radio), the gyro channel gain is also switched automatically.

Does this make sense? I do see the need for 2 gains, as you said when I have the gain set right for hover, then going to ff I see wagging.

Thanks
Nick
07-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rcpilotsteve
Senior Heliman
Location: BC Canada

The gear switch is inactive on the RD6000Super when your in Heli mode. You have to setup Cmix1 for the switch if that is what you want. Program the radio so GY is mixed to GY to use the switching function. I just setup a friends Century Gyro on his Nexus to do this. I remembered this topic from before Nick. Pretty comicle watching the tail wag as it flys
I recommend the 401 Nick, put the Century Gyro in your first scale ship, you know the one that you will only hover on every second Sunday.
I'll stay out of your post now, sorry
07-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Yeah it was "funny" watching it wag the 1st time I just turned the gain down, I'm used to holding the tail w/rudder. Learning to fly the only way I could get the heli back when it ran away was to fly it backwards at myself (and./or sideways) to avoid having to look at it's profile or nose

I think you're previous explanation of how to set up the gyro was very helpful the 2nd and 3rd time I read it (just setting the gyro gain in each flight mode and using normal and mode 1).

I think the switch thing was just for older radios that didn't have that feature, as best I can tell.

For now I have 2 hawks (32 and 50), with 2 pg2000v2 gyros, and that's what I'm sticking with until I start doing something that requires a better gyro

Until then, putting a $200 gyro in there (for me) is like putting in 2 $100 bills attached to the blades

Others may benefit as usual my opinions are reader beware, newbie poster.
07-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
bhelisN6
Heliman
Location: Fremont, California

I am behind the curve a little on radios, I fly with a JR 10sxii and the type of gyro function you are describing was only available on the 9-10 channel radios a few years ago. In reality, my 10sxii has 3 positions for the main flight mode switch, 0,1,2 which results in 3 possible gain settings.

In this setup, then your description is correct. The value on the "gyro" page is the gain setting.

Andrew
07-01-2002 Over year old.
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ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Ok Andrew, thanks for confirming that. RCPILOTSTEVE told me this was the way to go a while back but I just couldn't reconcile it with the instructions (I did it anyway, but I like to understand what I'm doing 100% if possible).

Maybe you can tip off century to update their instructions to have a small section for modern radio setup.

I think most modern (even low end) computer heli radios work like this as far as remembering gyro gain in different flight modes.

The Airtronics RD6000 Super has a lot of features normally seen only on higher end radios (5ch pitch/.thr. curves,4 fl modes that remember your trims, etc.) Even new they're $289 w/rx and 5 BB servos, and i got mine used

Also - when using this gyro with my old Vanguard 6ch heli radio (non computerized, no ATV on gyro/gear channel), I finally figured out that the way to control the gain from the pot was to UNPLUG the gyro channel instead of trying to use the switch with no ATV. This wasn't 100% clear from the instructions either, I just new it should work somehow because it mentions that it has dual remote gains or one gain from the gyro.

Maybe you can get them to put in a tidbit about that as well. I had called their tech support line about that and they couldn't help.
07-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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