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Aerobatic 3D Contest > how do I learn chaos?
 
 
nando v. arnhem
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

Hi guys,

I do piroflipping (one piro pro flip). It goes very well. The raptor 50 stands at one place. I want now to learn chaos (more piros pro flip). Do you have some tips for my? What do I first to learn that. I have no idea. On the simulator, it goes bad.


Nando van Arnhem
10-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
tommy
Senior Heliman
Location: Norway

If you have 2, 3 or 4 piros per flips it still is called a piro-flip. When I do piroflip, I have ca 2-3 piros- per flips. I also practice down to 1 piro per flips. If you want piro faster, you have to hold more rudder, and stir the right stick faster(in sync with the tail) If you want to flip faster, you stir the right stick in more defection, but the same speed. I find it easier to have exact 1, 2 or 3 piros per flip. I you have 2.5 or 1.7, the heli will not be in the same place after each flip.

A chaos is a piroflip, where you shift your flipping axiss around 360 degree. It is hard to explain.

In a piroflip, the disk will look like a regulare flip. F. ex. if your are tail-in.

In a chaos, the disk will start to rotate while flipping. It looks like your are slowly rotating the tail while flipping. start at flips with the tail in, then rotate it to tail right, then nose in, then tail left. Chaos is a very hard maneuver. In a interview with Curtis Youngblood, he said that he can't do the chaos every time he wants to, because it is to hard.

You can also do a search for chaos here at RR. The master of piroflips is Alan Szasbo Jr. And I have never seen him doing a chaos ever. So it is probablely very difficult.

/Tommy
11-01-2004 Over year old.
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Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

go buy 50 gallons of fuel... do nothing 'bout piro-flips... then learn how to rotate your flip direction....

squigle
11-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
nando v. arnhem
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

hi,

I do at the moment 2 piros pro flip. Alan Szabo does 4 (or more) pros pro flip. That is what I want to learn.

Nando van Arnhem
11-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ringding
Senior Heliman
Location: Austria

As tommy said, this is not chaos. I find sustained piroflips more visually appealing than chaos, however. Chaos just looks ... well, chaotic
11-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

practice

squigle
11-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pilot74
Senior Heliman
Location:

so in actual fact a chaos' flip actually moves while piroetting i.e. it starts at 12 and may move to 3?? Ouch that sounds hard
11-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pilot74
Senior Heliman
Location:

anyone know where there is a vid of anyone doing a true chaos?
11-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

12, then 3, then 6, then 9, then back to 12... not easy... actually takes effort...

squigle
11-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
leoneill
Heliman
Location: The Netherlands

Well... he learned...

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go buy 50 gallons of fuel... do nothing 'bout piro-flips... then learn how to rotate your flip direction....

squigle

17th in the Masters class at the 3D Masters 2007.
Looks like he got the hang of it.


10-13-2007 11:27 PM
 
 
MX400 DUDE
Senior Heliman
Location: Oklahoma

Yes he did! Hes gotten great in 3 years. Pretty amazing.
10-19-2007 07:13 AM
 
 
Laurens
Key Veteran
Location: NL, behind my computer

Too bad his crown gear stripped in the flight to music.

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Team Airthunder
10-29-2007 06:05 PM
 
 
LoveMyTrex
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton,VA

I learned to chaos in the sim in a about a week, not perfectly but I would still call it a chaos. to learn, get on the sim, get in a hover, hold rudder stick left, spin cyclic stick right, and as you flip put on negative, and so on.

future owner of all the helis I have money for
12-17-2007 02:53 AM
 
 
cba7824
New Heliman
Location: Cordova, Alaska - United States

Purchase Alan Szabo Jr's Ultimate Heli 3D DVD
12-24-2007 12:57 PM
 
 
Sam2b
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA - USA

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I do at the moment 2 piros pro flip. Alan Szabo does 4 (or more) pros pro flip. That is what I want to learn.
I am still perfecting it myself, but to incorporate more piros per flip, you'll need to use smaller cyclic "circle" inputs while keeping in sync with the piro rate. There's no rush to flip the heli as long as cyclic is in sync with the piro rate. Usually faster piro rates are easier to keep up with when doing more piros per flip, but as you know timing is of the utmost importance.

Experiment with smaller cyclic movements and make the entire maneuver as graceful as possible without necessarily slowing the piro rate (about 360 degrees in 1 second, or 1.5 seconds). So far that has helped me smooth the maneuver out.

I've re-watched the "Ultimate Heli 3D" DVD many times, and gets more clear each time I watch it. The slow motion videos on the DVD also helped make it click for me, watching the stick in relation to the heli's position. Good stuff.

_Sam B_
01-03-2008 07:10 AM
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Dynamite
Senior Heliman
Location: Odessa

Where can I order that DVD ? Any online shops ?

JR Vibe 90 , Sylphide 90 C , JR Vibe 50 , JR AS 50 , T-rex SE V2 , Raptor 50 Titan
01-04-2008 05:25 PM
 
 
Sam2b
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA - USA

"Ultimate Heli 3D", with Alan Szabo Jr.
http://www.readyheli.com/SearchResu....x=0&Search.y=0

Good picture-in-picture, and slow-motion sections too.

_Sam B_
01-04-2008 06:00 PM
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10X
Senior Heliman
Location: Salisbury N.C.

Piro flips

I can get them going on the sim then I loose it, where should the stick be in releation to the tail. That way if you get ahead or behind you have a point you can catch up. Is there any keys you look for when doing piro flips, as far as the stick in realitions to the tail or canopy
02-25-2008 02:27 AM
 
 
Richardmid1
Senior Heliman
Location: Leeds, England

Ive just started doing piro flips, I start a piroette and count the tail coming past... 1,2,3... then start stiring the cyclic and counting at the same speed in my head as I stir the stick. It doesnt matter when you start stiring in relation to where the heli is facing. I also set my piro rate with the dual rate in the tx so I can just hold the rudder stick full over to get about 1 piro/sec.

Eat, sleep, 3D, crash, repair, repeat...
02-25-2008 02:22 PM
 
 
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