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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

Mark,

How about an RSS or Atom feed so I can see
new posts at a glance!

Z

09-21-2004 Over year old.

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Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

I will do this soon.

Mark

09-21-2004 Over year old.

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megahawk
Heliman
Location: Cleveland - West, Ohio

Mark,

How soon? That would be nice!

12-01-2005 Over year old.

keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

Will this ever be implemented here on RR?

Keith

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06-03-2006 Over year old.

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Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

What does soon mean?

I still do not understand how useful this would be? Please provide a link that demonstrates what you are asking for.

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC

06-03-2006 Over year old.

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keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

Below is a screenshot of my RSS Reader. RSS provides me a method to monitor the postings on many websites at once without having to visit each and every webiste to figure out what is new and what isn't. This allows me to visit the site and read what I want to read much more easily and more efficiently.

Here is an article that explains a lot about RSS for Content Publishers and Webmasters. Including what it is and why you should have this.

Keith

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06-04-2006 Over year old.

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Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

Thanks for the feedback but I see issues here. RR has tons of traffic that is already categorized via forums and subscriptions.

What would the RR RSS feed you? What other busy forum offers RSS?

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC

06-04-2006 Over year old.

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keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

People with RSS readers can read the posts on the site. Like each forum would be a feed. The issue is that I monitor several forums, so, I have to visit each one individually. With a feed reader I can read them all and post to the ones I wish. For example, I login to RR only to discover there isn't anything I wish to respond to or that interests me. With an RSS reader I can see all the posts and know immediately if someone posts something of interest to me. I understand from a webmaster's point of view that this appears to lower readership, but it's actually quite the opposite, it will end up increasing readership because people that use the technology will know when something that interests them has been posted. Similiar to the subscriptions feature in the "My Home" link here on RR.

Keith

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06-05-2006 Over year old.

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Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

For now, instead of My Home, you have Subscriptions.

Subscribe to forums and you are good to go.

You also have the added benefit of the Mark Subs Read feature. This is separate from site wide Mark New Read.

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC

06-05-2006 Over year old.

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keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

OK, well imagine subscriptions then, only I don't have to visit the site in my web browser to see what's been answered. It's really a convienience thing for your users.

Keith

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megahawk
Heliman
Location: Cleveland - West, Ohio

rss readers constantly poll rss feeds and present them to the subscriber. Instead of actively having to visit a web site to find new posts, new posts come to the user. The user can click on that post in the rss reader and that web page (in this case a post on runryder.com) appears in the rss reader.

Mark, allow me to make a case in favor of RunRyder publishing an rss feed: The average RunRyder member is a busy guy... I don't think anyone can argue with that. Being busy, we often neglect regular visits to RR. If new posts came to ME my visitation to RR would increase 100 fold, causing me to see more advertising which, in turn, causes me to buy more products. The more successful your customers are, the more successful YOU are. We all win.

If you want to know more on the technical end of RSS I can help with that. I am a software developer and have written software to publish rss feeds and have developed an rss reader (proprietary, for internal business purposes).

06-09-2006 Over year old.

Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

My problem is understanding how the RSS feed would work. What is going to be fed? Can RSS deal with user name login to deal with subscriptions? Or is the feed a raw START HERE?

Programming is probably the easy part. Spending the time to get it right will be the hard part. I personally do not see how RSS is going to be more productive than the highly tuned Start Here and New Subs mechanisms.

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC

06-09-2006 Over year old.

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marked23
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Location: Lynnwood, WA

This is the first time I've seen this thread. So I'll throw in my $.02.

I use RSS feeds, but not through an RSS reader. [I've never actually seen an RSS reader. Am I showing my age?] I have the Google personalized home page. I can select any RSS feed to turn into a section on my personalized home page. I presume that Google goes and grabs the RSS xml and therefore does not have access to my cookies to authenticate me for a particular site. However that may not be the case. Google (or any other RSS client) may opt to use my own browser to retrieve the RSS feed and then transform that into what I see on the screen with client-side code.

So I'm saying that authentication for some RSS readers "may" be a trivial matter of reading the cookie like you already do. But even if it isn't... (read on)

...I personally don't care who knows what topics I've subscribed to. Maybe I (and any other individual user) can set an option on my account to allow "anyone" to RSS read my "Subscriptions" list. Of course this is a read-only authentication.

Once I've set this option, I set my RSS reader to watch http://rss.runryder.com/marked23/ and then my RSS reader would see my individual subscriptions.

Also, you could have a different RSS url for just about any forum topic. Stuff like this really doesn't need authentication until someone wants to post.
http://rss.runryder.com/MainDiscussion/
http://rss.runryder.com/OffTopics/
http://rss.runryder.com/eJRVoyagerE/
http://rss.runryder.com/StartHere/

For my purposes, just four or five of the top threads is all I would want to see, but others may enjoy more. That too could be reflected in the RSS url.
http://rss.runryder.com/StartHere/?tc=5
http://rss.runryder.com/marked23/?tc=5
http://rss.runryder.com/keithstric/?tc=50

A user on RR would set whatever preferences and then RR would display the appropriate customized RSS urls so that the user can cut and paste them into the RSS client.

If you don't want users posting directly from an RSS reader, then just don't implement that part that informs the RSS reader where to post to. [aside: now that I think about it, RSS readers that allow direct posting almost certainly pass along the user's cookie... almost all forums use cookies... so I'm guessing it's an obvious feature that an RSS reader/poster must implement. But I know nothing about RSS readers, so I'm just guessing.] Such a read-only rss feed would merely offer links to come view the thread on RR. Since it's sort of a first step anyway, a read-only implementation might be a good way to get your feet wet with RSS.

-Mark

06-09-2006 Over year old.

Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

I just spent some time Googling RSS. Just what problem is RSS going to solve for a site like RR? It already has highly refined mechanisms for cutting through the reams of postings. The site is also more than just topic titles. There are photos, videos and the evil but necessary advertising (discrete as it is with no flashing). What about PM's?

Everyday I personally go through a list of favorite links. I visit a lot of special interest news aggregate sites that format news plus images and of coarse ads. None would benefit from RSS as far as I am concerned.

I did try RSS years ago (news readers). I could never stick with it.

Here's an idea for streamlining RR use. Subscribe to a few forums.
Then once or twice a day click this link: NEW SUBS

Mark Ryder - 818-996-2222 - RunRyder, LLC

06-09-2006 Over year old.

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keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

Like megahawk said:

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rss readers constantly poll rss feeds and present them to the subscriber. Instead of actively having to visit a web site to find new posts, new posts come to the user. The user can click on that post in the rss reader and that web page (in this case a post on runryder.com) appears in the rss reader.

All an RSS feed is is an XML page. You can see one here. I know it's not a pretty page, but the RSS reader doesn't care how it looks. You can include as much or as little of the post as you want.

I wouldn't worry about logging in, you don't post from an RSS Reader, you only read. You also don't have to show the entire thread, only each post. So, if a post shows up in my reader that interests me, I click on that post in my reader and it will take me to the post in my browser or show in the reader (some have browsers built in). The benefits here are, maybe something will show up that I wouldn't have seen otherwise, so I will visit the site to read it and or post. I will see it sooner and more often because I keep my RSS reader running in the background so that I am notified when something new appears.

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I visit a lot of special interest news aggregate sites that format news plus images and of coarse ads. None would benefit from RSS as far as I am concerned.

There are news sites that offer RSS. Take CNN and Fox News and USA Today. These sites benefit because it increases readership. People subscribe to those feeds, when something that interests them shows up in their reader they visit the site. Also, when someone reads your RSS feed(s) it will show up in your statistics tracking software as a page view of the XML page.

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Here's an idea for streamlining RR use. Subscribe to a few forums. Then once or twice a day click this link: NEW SUBS

But I still have to actually visit the site and then look for things that are new, I'm not notified that something is new and I may miss something that may be of interest to me. The benefits to RSS are that it makes it easier for people to see and be aware of new content, increases readership because people are notified by their reader that something is new, instead of having to search for it and it's a big convenience for your users.

Keith

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06-10-2006 Over year old.

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megahawk
Heliman
Location: Cleveland - West, Ohio

Authentication

Authentication works the same way as it does now. Your site stores a cookie. Nothing needs to be done from an authentication stand-point because when the user clicks an item in the rss reader a browser is opened ( within the rss reader ) and the cookie is used.

Here is a screenshot of an rss reader
http://rssowl.sourceforge.net/img/rssowl_big.gif

the bottom right box in that screenshot is actually a web browser...Internet Explorer contained within the application.

All that is required is for you to produce rss feeds and its game over.

and by the way, rss readers are read-only... what isnt read only is the BROWSER with the application. It is actually a browser.

"Programming is probably the easy part. Spending the time to get it right will be the hard part."

I didnt know you were a developer Mark! What do you normally code in? ..And more importantly... why aren't you coding an RSS engine instead of reading this post?

06-23-2006 Over year old.

RCfan
Key Veteran
Location: Longwood, FL USA

RSS is great and you can do pretty much anything you want, i.e. you (the content creator) controls what's in it. I can see several feeds coming from RR, e.g. a NEW SUBS feed that shows all the unread subs in each of your subscribed forums. I'd love to see some RSS stuff on RR.

BTW, try Wizz RSS on Firefox

06-23-2006 Over year old.

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Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Just to let you know..
Microsoft is in the process of incorporating RSS into Internet Explorer. It's implemented in IE7. I use IE7 but haven't played with the RSS feature. - Only to view the Internet Explorer Team Blog in curiosity of the RSS feature.
Let's see if these links work..
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/tour/rss/
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/02/523418.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archi.../02/523430.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archi.../02/523444.aspx

06-24-2006 Over year old.

lowandslow
Key Veteran
Location: Spring Hill, TN

Mark,

I know this is an old topic but an RSS feed would be a neat feature to offer. Other sites could have feeds from your site or certain sections of your site on their home page.

For instance, I could have an RSS feed to your Aerial Photography forum directly from the aplanding.com portal home.

11-13-2006 Over year old.

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keithstric
Senior Heliman
Location: Douglasville, GA - Douglas

OK, found another possible use for RSS here on RunRyder. I'm currently shopping for servos, I could subscribe to the Electronics for sale forum and see when the servos I'm looking for hit the forum. Currently I am subscribed to that forum but it sends me an email which I don't monitor that often and it only notifies me that new posts have been made, not what the content of those posts are, so I visit RR and then notice that no servos have been posted and then leave frustrated. With an RSS feed I would be able to tell what was posted.

Keith

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12-16-2006 Over year old.

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