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e-Century Hummingbird - Swift > HB CP - setting up - learning how to hover - help wanted
 
 
ecl
Heliman
Location: Columbia - SC - USA

I am in that first step which consist in learning how to hover - basicaly trying to stay still or come back to still in front of me.
That is not easy ....
For a couple of seconds I manage to get the HB stable in front of me, but as soon as is start to swing one way , then it look like that it keep amplifying the swing more and more until I decide to push the throttle down as gently as I can to land not too hard.
Is this normal at the begining of learning ? or is there a problem of setup (I did balance the blades as recomended, so no big vibration), I have also paid attention to the center of gravity of the HB.
Note that I had to trim a lot in the right direction to get the hb to take off and stay stable a couple of seconds at 2 feet high to avoid having the hb going full speed left. Is this normal ?
I broke 2 original tails already (too much hard landing), and replaced the tail with the direct gws ith 3030. So far I have attempted to fly probably 8 times. (around 10 minutes each time)

I woud appreciate any help regarding tuning setup and step by step hovering training.

My current set-up is hb cp - semi symetric blades, 370 k gws main motor, gws 3030 tail, csm 200 hlg, etec 1200 2s, ics 100 and 50.
09-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Xtreme34
Senior Heliman
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

be sure to be ready when it takes off it will pull to the left when the skids leave the ground so be ready to counter .and i didnt see a gyro in your equipment you listed so i would recomend 1 .i just got somewhat started too so hopefully you get a few more tips
09-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
leslie
Key Veteran
Location: Hollis, NH - USA

What you are describing is what just about everyone goes through. My bud at my LHS calls this the marble in a fishbowl. Check out Radd School of Rotary Flight. His has great beginner instructions, this is where I started.

Have fun with it!!

Leslie

Protecting those who protect us
09-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ericfly
Senior Heliman
Location: Cornwall, UK

Yes this was exactly the same for me too... Lots of:- Place helicopter... Power up ... Try and control... 'Land'.... Recover helicopter.... Straighten blades.... Repeat all of the above.

Then one day it clicks!
09-02-2004 Over year old.
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jeffs555
Senior Heliman
Location: North Carolina

That "amplifying the swing" you talk about is the classic sign of getting behind and chasing the controls that most beginners experience. It happens because in all helis, there is some delay from when you move the controls until the heli responds. If the heli starts moving in some direction, you apply a correction to the controls to stop it. You don't see it stop immediately, so you keep applying more correction until you see the heli stop moving. Because of the delay, you will have applied too much correction and held the correction too long. The heli will start moving in the opposite direction. So you apply an opposite correction, and again apply too much and hold it too long. You go back and forth a few times, each time applying more and more correction, until you are out of control. With practice, you will learn to anticipate the control delay, and your mind will correct for it.

Also, if you trim the controlls so the heli lifts off straight up, it will not be trimmed correctly for hovering. There is always a leftward drift that must be corrected with trim, but the drift at liftoff is more than that during hover, so if you trim out all of the drift from liftoff, it will be too much trim for hovering. Normally, you will have to apply some right stick at liftoff, and then release it when you get to a hover.
09-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ecl
Heliman
Location: Columbia - SC - USA

Thank you very much for your comments, it just show me that I am on the right track, just have to learn...

One more question regarding set-up, could somebody summarize all the mandatory setup tunning, so far I have on my list :
- center of gravity of the heli,
- make sure that the paddles are parallel and horizontal
- balance of the paddles,
- balance of the main blades,
- horizontal swash plate,
- balance of the rotor blades & paddles,
- tracking of the main blade (to keep seing only one blade when looking horizontaly,
- balance of the tail blade,

I am missing something ?
Do you have any special advice for tunning all the above step by step the best possible way ? on my heli it look roughly ok, but I would think that it can improve... Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks, Emmanuel
09-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Porksoda
Heliman
Location: MIchigan

Im going on week 4 and the trimming process has taken me a while. Im really still not satisfied. I have no help other then this board and it has become a main source of info for me. (you guys are all awesome btw ) Once you get those other things done after every crash or hard landing
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- make sure you battery is still mounted correctly
- center of gravity of the heli,
- make sure that the paddles are parallel and horizontal
- make sure main blades are at a 90 to flybar


There are some tools on the market to help you with some of this stuff but it sounds like you are on the right track... and I wouldnt spend money on these specilized tools when your just learning to hover.
I have found as the weeks go on you will get better at these steps. You will not need to perform them as much when you can control the heli. You start to "understand" your bird in flight and you stop chasing your heli and begin to control it. Hops turn to small hovers ..soon hovering the life of a pack ,,, ,then FF.

At leaset give the Radd School of Rotary Flight a read through. There are some good hover tips.

If you can hover with the blades at eye level (and out of ground effect) you can get a good view of the head for some fine tune'n. Dont attempt this until you feel comfortable...It took me awhile before I got to this point ....My first attempt to do a slow circuit (yesterday) and I crashed ..my worst one yet...back to square one

Keep at it ...good luck!

Pork
09-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
buchee
Heliman
Location: London, Ontario. Canada

Blade goes forward instead of a hover

Hi, I'm very new to r/c heli's. I have a blade CP(everything stock). When I'm at the point where the heli is starting to lift off it always goes forward. Should it not be wanting to elevate instead of forward movements? Is this normal behaviour? I've balanced the blades, set pitch to 0 in normal mode...flybars look even. (Forgive my lack of proper terminology)
I'm trying to go by the RADD method within a 1 sq. foot, but with this forward movement it's impossible to keep in the square. Any help suggestions would be greatly appreciated-------or just point me in the right direction <-------->
03-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
cudaboy_71
Elite Veteran
Location: sacramento, ca, u.s.

no problem. we're always happy to help.

but (sorry to be critical on your welcome )

#1, it's usually considered bad form to dredge up a post over 1 year old.

#2, you have an eflite blade CP...this is the century forum. the 'cp' in the title here just stands for the hummingbird collective pitch model. you may get more setup advice (if that's the problem) in the blade forum

#3, (with the real help finally) have you balanced the heli? in proper terms, that's called the CG (center of gravity). you need to be able to hold your flybar on your fingers and have the heli perfectly balanced beneath it...this goes for parallel to the boom (which would measure side to side CG), as well as perpendicular to the boom (which would measure your fore/aft CG). presuming all else is level, linkages the same length, etc. and it pitches forward, i would tend to believe you might be nose heavy.

if this is the case you can do two things: 1) add weight behind the CG to level it off (not recommended--weight is the enemy in these tiny birds). or 2) relocate some of your electronics further back.

HOWEVER, if it is only a little bit off CG it may not be a bad thing. some people prefer the bird to be a little bit nose heavy as it seems to add some stability.

that brings us to the issue you're having, pitching forward.

a few things on that front:

have you adjusted the elevator trims? if i'm reading you right theyre centered currently....pull it down a few notches and see if that helps.

you may just be caught in your own downwash. the blades create a lot of turbulence when close to the ground that cause it to be twitchy and hard to control. if you're brave enough, lift up about 2-3 feet off the deck and see if things smooth out.

good luck.

if it ain't broke…break it.
03-30-2006 Over year old.
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xmodum
Heliman
Location: Fort Walton Beach Florida

All helicopters "wander" these machines are inherantly unstable particularly when close to the ground in "ground effect" you have to learn to compensate... In a hover you will be constantly moving both sticks in all directions to a certain amount hence the term "balancing a marbel on a sheet of glass .. having said that if you find yourself contantly pulling back on the right stick to prevent forward drift then your trim IS out and same goes for all other directions respectively at this point set the bird down carefully and bump the respective trim a notch or two in the direction you are holding the stick to keep it level in this case elevator trim back until you no longer have to hold the stick back like that... but no helicoptor hovers hands off you will always be moving the sticks but when its trimmed properly you'll be moving them up as much as down right as much as left etc.etc. this is normal drift
07-19-2008 09:54 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

you do realize that the original post is about FOUR years old right?

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
07-21-2008 04:20 PM
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