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smudge
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

This is probably a silly idea but......

With all this wind we have now, got me thinking of slope soaring. Do you think it would be possible to fly a heli off a hill, switch off the engine and have enough lift to keep it flying in autorotation?

It would need a strong wind and a big hill.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

it's been done in japan and in the states , with a shuttle or other . it had no engine , just enough servo and battery weight for forward cg . off some slopes along with gliders .. there were pictures of it in r/c tecnique mag.

there was a thread I replied to traveling with a heli to puerto rico off the cliffs near the san juan castles you can achieve verticle lift without full power. at the time I had an xcell 60, it was a light heli .

i'm pretty sure you easily do it can do it with smaller electric helis too, try it sometime ..
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Concept 30

It's been done in the US, with a Concept 30 with no motor at Torrey Pines. Flew pretty well considering foam blades.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
smudge
Senior Heliman
Location: Wiltshire, UK

silly idea number 1343a(revB):

What a great way to practice autos!

I am always amazed that someone can post a silly idea on this forum, and someone has already done it!

Let's think of another :

silly idea number 1343a(revB):

strap two helis back-back, Chinook-like (or use the hirobo vertol), make a fusalge in the shape of a pig, and fly it over the local police station. Then wait at the reception:

"Yes officer, I saw a flying pig", (clang, rattle of keys).
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Kurt64
Veteran
Location: Salladasburg, PA

idea 1344 (no rev)
How about using a heli to launch a sail plane or glider?
I imagine that we all could come up with some interesting projects.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

glider launch

Several years ago, someone came up with the idea of launching a glider from a heli, I believe a Schluter Champion. The glider had a releasable towhook so the heli picked the glider up while hanging inverted from the towhook on the bottom. The idea was to climb to altitude, the glider releases, does a half loop, and flies away.
In reality, the heli took off and easily carried the glider to 800 feet, thge glider pilot released, the model fell a little, did a half loop, and flew away. There was a slight problem though, when the glider model released, there was tension on the tow line which zinged upward and into the rotor head, wrapping around the head and main shaft. The motor stalled, the head stopped, and the heli fell 800 feet like an anvil. Glider survived with no problem though.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

It's been done

05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

smudge , if you haven't tried it, or experienced it , no doubt - try it first , you'll be in for a pleasant suprise .. I did it , i'm sure there are other flyers who have .. as for me it was off 100ft cliff level and the heli was kicking arse with idle, just grabbing the clutch was a breeze and the upwinds did the rest , I did invert, looped, rolled it , just to see it in thrive in the winds which was nothing short of amazing .. was slope soaring with a helicopter , makes no difference today , it's and exciting too thing to do .. my cousin was there and he was like .. "this is how you guys do it? LOL - all smiles ..

heres a reference point to where I did it on the right side.


05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
gregj
Heliman
Location: Palos Verdes, Calif.

> This is probably a silly idea but......
>
> With all this wind we have now, got me thinking of slope
> soaring. Do you think it would be possible to fly a heli off a hill,
> switch off the engine and have enough lift to keep it flying in
> autorotation?
>

Hi smudge,

I've been slope-soaring helis for a while here in Southern California.

It's a SERIOUSLY fun thing to do, not least because of the reactions from
observers.

I slope-soar a Hirobo Shuttle, and do it at a couple of strong slope soaring
sites overlooking the ocean in Palos Verdes. It takes a good bit of wind -
something like 12-14 knots. I find that it if there are white caps on the
ocean from the wind, it's probably strong enough to slope-soar the heli.

When I slope soar the heli, I remove the engine, canopy, 2 servos, tail
rotor, gas tank, gyro, etc. I.e., it's a really stripped down bird. Might
be better say what's there rather than what's not! Just 3 servos (collective,
2 cyclic servos), receiver, batteries, frame, head and blades, landing gear,
tail boom, and vertical stabilizer. (The latter for weathervaning
while flying).

I set up the collective to go from about -7 to +12.

To get the heli started, I stand at the edge of the slope and hold it
overhead with my left hand, gripping it by the top of the frame just behind
the main shaft.

I move the transmitter collective stick all the way down. (It is essential
to have a transmitter neck strap to do this, since you only have one hand
to manipulate the transmitter controls!) Slowly at first, the blades start
to turn. They gradually pick up speed. As they go faster, the angle of
attack the blades see decreases, and at some magic moment they unstall.
Then, the blades suddenly start going REALLY fast! I then use cyclic to level
the helicopter.

As the blades are cranking at their high speed, I move collective up.
It is easy to find the collective setting that maximizes lift; you can feel
the lift on the hand that is holding the helicopter. At this point, the
helicopter is straining hard against your hand, pulling upwards.

With your right hand on the cyclic stick, say a prayer (;-)) and release
the helicopter. It will shoot straight up maybe 30 or 40 feet. As it
does so, the blades will slow down, and reach a steady rate. At this
point, I take my left thumb off the collective entirely, and fly only
with cyclic. (I found the hard way that if the heli starts to settle it
is easy to subconsciously add in collective, and cross that threshold where
the blades will no longer keep turning. Lose head speed fast, come down
over the cliff line fast, ..., not good.)

As long as the wind hangs in there, you can stay up as long as you want.
You can use cyclic to fly back and forth along the ridge line. The
vertical stabilizer on the tail will ensure that the heli weathervanes, and
keeps going forward, nose into the direction of flight.

You can play the collective up and down a little, always making sure not
to push it too high and suddenly lose head speed. And, you can do a
"flare": pull back on the cyclic to expose more of the rotor disk to the
wind, and see the heli shoot up and somewhat back.

To land, I use cyclic to hover at altitude just behind the edge of the
cliff, and then use collective to slowly lower the heli. The goal is to
set the heli down on the ground at the edge of the cliff. But, it gets a
little dicey, because at some point you descend into the "shadow" of the
edge of the cliff and out of the wind. Expect a lot of "adventurous"
landings if you try this. But, the good news is that most crashes are
low-energy affairs and don't hurt the heli too much. Also, head balance
etc. seems much less critical doing this than flying with an engine.
Tail boom strike? No problem! Just bend that tail boom straight and
throw it off the cliff again! (The only thing the tail boom is doing is
holding the vertical stab; no tail rotor, etc.)

I think it would be really wild to try some aerobatics this way. The
ultimate would be to go inverted and slope soar back and forth along the
cliff inverted. Haven't done any of that though.

All in all, this is a lot of fun!

gregj
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
freestyle
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA USA

pictures

Some friends of mine tried this a while back.

That's Jamie Dickison holding his Concept, with Derrick Dittes at the controls.

http://www.natew.com/~futura/JamieDickison/DSC00017.jpg

http://www.natew.com/~futura/JamieDickison/DSC00021.jpg
05-30-2002 Over year old.
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ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

freestyle cool pics .. yes obsolutely , theres alot to learn from slope
soaring when slope gliding is done with heli's . little did we know what else can be done with r/c heli's besides the 3d thing .. expanding the horizons, this is another aspect of r/c heli's that we need to bring out .. cool ..


05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rob_jones
Key Veteran
Location: Oglethorpe, GA

This is SO cool. Slope soaring a helicopter

Whodathunkit. Of all the possible ways to fly a helicopter, this has to be one of the most imaginative I've ever seen. Sure, inverted pirouetting funnels are cool, but flying a helicopter with no engine is tops.

I wish Georgia weren't so flat (at least the part I live in) or I'd do it in a second!

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Team MRC Hirobo
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ItsBent
Senior Heliman
Location: Baltimore MD.

IS it a Heli?

Didn't it just become an Autogyro?
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Jeff
Heliman
Location: Pampa, Texas

Glider towing..

A buddy of mine towed a glider with his heli years ago..He has a video of them doing it. I wish he still lived here I'd get a capture off the vid.
05-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
jarikokk
Heliman
Location: Finland,Oulu

Cool!!
05-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
DangerousDick
Veteran
Location: Cheshire, England

Video

Hi Guys,

OK so I do believe that you can actually sope soar a heli, but I'd give anything to get some video footage so I can convince others

Must be some out there - it's the first thing I would get if it was me.

Richard.

P.S. Wanted, Shuttle or similar - no engine / tail required!
05-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hughes500Pilot
Key Veteran
Location: Anaheim, CA

I have seen it done with a Concept 30 SE. The only things my friend modified on his heli was the following:

He removed the engine/muffler
He removed the clutch/fan/clutch bell
He removed the fan shroud
He removed the fuel tank
He removed the throttle servo
He removed the SE autrotation unit and installed a SR-T unit*

By removing all of the above, it almost cut the heli weight in half.

The real trick was installing the SR-T main gear hub (auto unit). The SR-T main gear hub DOES NOT HAVE A ONE WAY CLUTCH. This means that when ever the main blades are turning, the tail rotor blades are turning (in essense a constant drive tail rotor). This made it possible to have yaw control.

When it was my turn to fly it, I found it a lot easier then you would think. One time I have the heli up for 45 minutes non-stop. The only reason I had to land was because we felt the battery was getting low and we had to charge it.

As for glider launching from a R/C heli, Vario make a special unit for their helis that does just that...

-Steve
06-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyingpiggy
Heliman
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Glider launch

Hi all.
I once saw a full size Hughes 500 D launch a Grob Twin Astair at our local gliding club field. I was keen to give this a try, in model form.

My Raptor 50 is fitted with a boom mounted "rudder" servo - leaving a spare slot in the servo frame. I fitted a servo driving a pin that slides thru a hole drilled across a piece of tube, the lower end of this tube was fastened to the under carrage { as close to the CG as poss'} - this was my tow release. With the help of our club's senior heliman I rigged a 15' tow line from the tail post of my 60" foamy {no glider release} and despite the many disparaging coments from the club "experts" we set off for the strip.
The glider was set on the ground ahead of the chopper with no slack in the tow line. I lifted the heli off and flew up and forward to hover 15' above the glider and gave the glider pilot the nod. All looked well so I added collective and up she went, the glider ocillated a bit on the way up but didn't upset the chopper at all. Our field has a 200' height restriction thus it didn't take long to reach release height, the glider dropped away nicely. The only shortcomming was that while flying the raptor bact to the strip, I couldn't admire the glider in flight.
04-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

Heh. Almost 3 years since this thread died.

Mike
04-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
burl
Senior Heliman
Location: Neah Bay, WA

i do it all the time in g3 at sierra nevada cliff. don't know how to recover the craft though..... seriously, how would you do it?
04-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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