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Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

I awoke a much happier man this morning...I talked to Ron Lund and Nathen at the LARKS FF a couple of weeks ago and asked if what I had heard was true, that the SE WILL continue to be in the Robbe Line-up though the price will rise close to the level of the Nova and Milli II. The reason for my brightened state this morning is I've finally seen this fact in print! (www.ronlund.com) I believe thanks is due Paul at HUI and everyone else who let Robbe-Germany know what a mistake it would be to kill the SE! Now...I'm working on a set of CF sideframes/radio tray that will except the complete drive system of the Connie and result in a lighter and stiffer .50 sized heli. News at 11:00 . Chris
05-16-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Roger Hamilton
Senior Heliman
Location: Surrey, England

Like a lot of people I was surprised to learn of the demise of the Futura. I'm not as familiar with the Millenium and Nova as I should be but would have presumed that the single piece side frame layout would always resullt in a more rigid set up for the mechanics. Not surprised to see that the Nova and cuatro continue to follow the Futura theme of belt drive and control system even if the layouts are fudged about. I think Robbe have made the right decision, though without the price advantage, choosing between Millenium, Nova and Futura could be difficult...

Anyway, I was interested about your comment about the 'Connie', presumably you are referring to the Conquest. I have one also and have been meaning to have a play about and make up a set of flat frames to improve integrity of the mechanics. I sort of have a love hate relationship with this machine. I really like the feel, and the concept of it but it keeps reminding me that its a basic machine with bells and whistles. keep me posted on your progress - I'll let you know when I've done my bits also. I've also been thinking how can I replace the drive system with something really smooth.....

A friend has just installed the Futura ball raced fly bar system which fits with a bit of machining to get the deflection range back. Neither of us like the slop that creeps in. Anyway, like I said, do a post if you get the sideframe thing working. Good luck!
05-16-2002 Over year old.
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whrlybrd
Senior Heliman
Location: Little Rock, AR

As a new Futura owner I am elated! Thanks to all involved in the process.
05-16-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Let's see; it was a grand, then it was down to around $700, then it was discontinued, then it wasn't, then it was, and now it's back up to a grand; or will be shortly.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but there is a word for that sort of thing...

This really aggravates me. A pal just got his going, and it is a wonderful helicopter- most impressive. I have always wanted a Schluter (and still do- especially the Futura SE), but to me this is nothing short of larceny.

Another friend just got his Fury operational, so I've been able to closely examine both. The Futura SE is a great model; but not worth $300 more than a Fury. In fact, the SE doesn't "fly" any better- to me- than my X-Cell ST that has a few upgrades. Both (and the Fury) are very smooth and majestic.

How depressing. It is one of the best models available, but I personally am simply not going to pay that much for something that doesn't fly any better (for me) than less-expensive machines; which is also why I don't have an X-Cell Graphite SE.

Sigh...

Not slamming you, Chris. I'm glad you and Ron and Toby, et. al., will be assured of a parts supply. But Robbe isn't even bothering to use lubrication this time.

Steve
05-16-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ESchmidt
Senior Heliman
Location: Salem, NH

Steve

So why not buy one now while the price is still low?

Last time I talked to Paul, he said he was getting the last 100 SEs at the reduced price. He also said that he was going to price the rest of the Robbe line so low that Bob J. wouldn't be selling any more Robbe helis to the US. In fact, he told me that he was going to try to keep the Cuatro priced somewhere around $1000.

You keep on saying that you want one...so go get one. I promise you, you will love the simplicity and ruggedness of it.

Eric
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

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Interesting. And what does that tell you?

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll pass. Even if I did have the bucks right now; which I don't...

Steve
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ESchmidt
Senior Heliman
Location: Salem, NH

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That tells me that he is either buying in larger volume to keep the per-unit shipping price down, or he is getting a better price from Robbe-Germany.

Paul is a good guy, who makes a reasonable profit for what he does. You don't actually think that he is getting rich from doing this..do you?? You know, probably better than most with all of your connections, that the only people making a ton of money on this stuff is "The Evil Empire." But that's another topic all together .

Eric
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ehab
Senior Heliman
Location: Beautifll San Jose, CA, Good old USA

Robbe Prices

There is no reason to incease the price of the SE or Robbe line for that matter, unless Robbe wants to make more money!! The SE has been around for a long time and has many parts common to the Milli and Nova, hence their cost is down. The US dollar has been relatively strong against the Yen and Euro. It is all marketing hipe. This is only a hobby and if they want to price themselves out, I'll buy another Fury or Freya (or a CS when it is $700-800). Do not screw up a good thing Robbe!!

Regards, Ehab.
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

Hi,

as far as I remember robbe Germany never announced to discontinue the Futura SE, there were just a lot of rumors spread...
In Germany robbe machines are rather cheap (Mille about 800eur, Nova 900eur - but you don't have to pay 16%vat.). The Fury Expert goes for the same price as the Futura Nova...
Now don't ask me who ships the Nova to the States , my dealer won't do that

Locked it up at oanda.com, without the sales tax about 620usd for the milli, 710usd for the Nova. Spare prices are ok too.
The price level in the UK is much higher!

Regards,

Andi
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

That's my point, Andi (and Eric). My buddy paid $720 US for his SE, WITH a pair of 72cm NHP blades, and some tail blades (forgot which ones) from Bob J. That's a delivered price, including shipping and customs.

UK guys pay a 17% Value Added Tax on hobby stuff. Like Andi said, they pay a lot more, proportionately, than we do. The UK pound is worth around $1.60 US. Yet, my buddy got a machine with $150 US worth of main and tail blades delivered from England for less than he would have paid for just the kit sans blades here. One can draw his own conclusions from that...

I forget his name (getting old sux), but MHT's European correspondent was told by Robbe suits at the Nuremburg Toy Fair in Germany that the Futura SE would be available, in limited quantities in a right-hand rotation version only, for the US market. That was months ago. I thought I read somewhere just a week or so ago where they had decided not to do that; and now we are hearing that it's back?

Like Andi said, much of all of this is rumor and second-hand information. The fact that neither Robbe nor their US agent (HUI- Paul Goldenberg) has stepped forward with definitive word is curious, to say the least.

Eric, I've been out of the loop for some time now. I don't have as many contacts as I used to. But I know what appears to be price gouging when I see it. Not trying to start a fight here, but it just irritates me that an established firm, which has a popular, excellent product, looks to be playing hide-the-weinie with pricing and availability of said product.

There are many potential Robbe/Schluter customers who have bought other models because, for one reason or another, they were not comfortable with the policies/prices/etc. of the line. I'm one...

Steve
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

Hi,

well, I guess the majority of robbe helis is sold in Germany/UK/Switzerland/France. They don't seem as popular on your side of the pond, which I can understand - with the Fury it's the other way round. Only few pilots here know the machine at all, whereas robbe/futura is well known. And there are small companies like Benda (Genesis), Henseleit (Rocket/Threedee) and Minicopter (Joker). They are well known to most pilots who visit funflys (I guess you can compare them to Bergen: great machines at a good price).
Raptor is also cheap here, Japanese helis are usually expensive (Freya isn't much cheaper than a Mille, but the cooling without nitro sucks).
And now try buying a robbe or Miniair machine in Japan ;-)
By the way, electronics are even more expensive as in the States :-(

Regards,

Andi
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Is there a web address for Paul or HUI? I am looking for pic's and info on the milli.

Thanks
Chris
06-17-2002 Over year old.
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Ron Cosby
Senior Heliman
Location: Shreveport, Louisiana

HUI is at http://www.robbeusa.com
06-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

thanks Ron.

Chris
06-17-2002 Over year old.
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Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

Sluggo, the HUI " website" is a JOKE! I think HUI put it up so they could have a website on their business cards ( if they really have business cards, that is!). Go to www. Robbe.de and click on the Blue Globe for the English/American language. Also Bob Johnston at Skylinemodels.co.uk is a good place to look and compare... Chris
06-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ehab
Senior Heliman
Location: Beautifll San Jose, CA, Good old USA

I am afraid I have to agree with maxx, the hui web is an insult to the quality and reputation of Robbe. I am amazed that Robbe Austria has not yet commented on their US web site. The us website has the SE discontuned, and the German site has it listed with a price. Their product is good enough, at this time, to keep me buying...but they should improve their communications and keep it consistant!! BUT, I love my SE and just orderd a Nova , tells you I am addicted
06-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Thanks guys! I will check it out.

Chris
06-18-2002 Over year old.
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Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

Ehab,
if you love your SE Just wait till you fly your nova!!!!!!!!!
I know it's hard to believe a ship flys better than a SE, but the nova just such a great flying ship!!!!!
you'll see once you dial in your new Nova, your SE will start to collecting dust.. mark my words...
McKoi

2 Novas YS 80's, 1.8meter gas Futura

Jeremy
06-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ehab
Senior Heliman
Location: Beautifll San Jose, CA, Good old USA

What gear ratio are you using with your Nova?
On my SE, I am using YS80 and STOCK gear. But I am keeping rpm at 1500!!!
Can't wait for my Nova, anyday now!!!
06-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Satrted building my milli YAHOOOOOOOOO!

So far the build is going well, the radio tray was a bitch and the tank was no fun. Can't wait to get it done and up in the air!

Chris
06-19-2002 Over year old.
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