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Off Topics > To NUKE them...or not to NUKE them...that is the question...!!!
 
 
Diverig
Heliman
Location: Wyoming

there just like a rabid dog you must put it down.

just bring on the glow!
05-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ausheli
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalgoorlie, the gold capital of Australia, Western

so let me get this right no other country is allowed to own WMD's but america feels they have they have the right to nuke em all, and with the news of prisoner abuse coming out, you wonder why they're pissed now? Then you try and hide behind the geneva convention by refusing to release more pictures because it infringes the rights of those acussed and the the rights of the prisoners, please give me a break, because the US wont even adhere to the geneva convention for the prisoners in cuba!!

Drill it, Blast it, Bog it
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ausheli
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalgoorlie, the gold capital of Australia, Western

thats right, i see that the people in Afghanistan are dancing in the streets because the US freed them and the people in Iraq are overjoyed after Operation Free the Oil oh sorry Operation Free Iraq i'm so glad that they are happy now they are just like america, just wait and see how happy they will be when they have a McDonalds on every corner, they'll be crying in the streets

Drill it, Blast it, Bog it
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Nuke them?

Other than the fact that we would almost surely kill tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of innocents while missing 99% of the potential terrorists out there, and inflaming them to the point that they would retaliate in ways that would make life impossible for us. What would be the rational for this? steve
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pepper
Veteran
Location: GREAT STATE OF TEXAS!!

they do have McDee's on every corner. and i say let our guys go in there and let them do what they need to do and tell congress to BUTT OUT!!!
you are not gona take a country like Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, etc and make it a Republic, but you can take out the bad guys that are a threat to us, ie; it's not a war just a terrorist war. this war could be over in about a weak, to many soft pusses and people who have no idea about what goes on in a war try to make decisions. IT IS A WAR. not a political game. people are gona get killed, mutilated, raped etc. how in to world do you expect to have a piecefull war. it just doesn't happen!!!
if you think we schould not be over there, well your wrong, we need to be for the simple fact of it will protect us. but we do need to hurry up, it's not that big of a place and we are not at war with a country just a select group of people.

as i was told in the army and tend to live by:

"SUCK IT UP AND DRIVE ON"

pepper
05-16-2004 Over year old.
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AGRAV8
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Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

Gentlemen !!!

Hey, now.....lets think this over in a rational light.

You wouldn't want to radiate their country with stuff that has a 300 year half life. No, that wouldn't be fair to the ones that don't support the terrorists and their lifestyles.

One reason we are so adament about the spread of WMD is the concern that someone might not be able to control their emotions and actually use it. Well, think of it this way.

The Jews were going thru wars with their neighboring Arab friends at an alarming regularity......were talking tank battles, air strikes against both sides......remember the 68 war, 73 war, the list goes on.......UNTIL......

THEY SCORE THE BOMB. Now, fella's.......ya really want to come and try to wipe us out? Check your history books, people. Its now down to terrorists and their bull****. I absolutely disagree with the notion that the Jews should give the palistinians anything more than a poke in the ass with a sharp stick and a gentle "move along, fella"....why? Because the terrorist lifestyle that has been utilized for decades. Oh, now we should reward them for thier efforts. WRONG.

One more thing to remember when pissing and moaning about the US going over to Iraq and removing the leadership there. Saddam and his buddies had the world so close to another nuclear bomb being used in war that you wouldn't believe it. Why?? The Jews were ready for one of those scuds to actually have bio warheads. How ready?? The IDF had theater thermo's loaded and on alert. And enough of them that some would have made it in. That is why the US went ape-**** when the scuds started falling there.......and I for one am glad we did.

With that said, I cheerfully dissent from voting in the poll. A critical choice (and the one I would go for TODAY) is missing.

CHOICE C: NEUTRON DANCE.

Now, THATS something we have that they don't. DAMN good idea to go test it.....and make sure we have enough to go around...they ALL want to die over their hokey religion?? Well, just like Domino's pizza......phone in orders with delivery. GO in 3 days later, drive their cars, eat their food (YUCK) and give the land to folks that WILL honor life and act like a civilization.

We bitch about Saddam and how ruthless he was. Yes, I think he WAS ruthless. Look at the ****bags he was dealing with. The ones WE are dealing with now.... Maybe he DID need to kill off a bunch of his own. Maybe we got there too early???????
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
brooksnb
Key Veteran
Location: Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

There's a lot more to this than you guys are aware of...or perhaps want to admit to. The 911 event was YOUR wakeup call...it was indeed terrible but nothing new in the world ...it's just that it hit home !! The USA made very hasty decisions and is paying a very dear price for it now. I know the states has the ability to quietly eliminate the bin laden's and hussain's of the world...but they chose not to do that !! Why ?? because the states wanted to make a statement !! They did that...but it's not working as planned. The US military is getting spread out too thin ...the terriorist plan is working ...while the US is busy on so many fronts the terriosts will find a weak spot and attack again ! Sure you can NUKE them...and kill all kinds of innocent kids ...but why...do you really want to do that ?? no... not the Americans that I know. I had the opportunity to sit down and speak with an American Ambassador saturday and he said the plans have been changing...the States want nothing better than to pull out the troops and concentrate on homeland security...in other words ...regroup and protect the country. History has proven that when a powerfull country is spread out thinly it's in trouble...the only way to beat the USA and it's might is to weaken it down with many fronts and then to strike !! Your country know this very well and can't risk being a weak target...so to NUKE is out of the question...it would be the end of your strong and free country...
I noticed that one comment was made about Canada and France not having any military might...true...but look what a bunch of terriosts with car bombs are doing to your Country..they are just a bunch of renegades and they are turning the world upside down !! Don't ever under estimate somebody ...that can be fatal !
Canada and the rest of the free world is on your side...but talking about writing off millions of inocents in order to kill the few terrirists that you can't find...well that's just nonsence..

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis
05-16-2004 Over year old.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

AGRAV8

Applause...... Standing ovation....... Applause......

Rick
05-16-2004 Over year old.
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steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Seneca

It will get worse. steve.
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
brooksnb
Key Veteran
Location: Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

You are partly right Seneca....but don't think the world is waiting to reap the benifits from this war...your own country is not behind the war...they are behind the men and women who are risking their necks !! Canada has soldiers there too...but I guess you didn't know that !
There's a lot of things that American propaganda has covered up...It seems as though too many fine Americans are not really aware of very much outside your country...other than what the government wants you to hear...it's sad but true...I don't expect that you will understand however because it's a plan that is working ...you believe what you hear and if you think or say anything differently you are labled as a traitor I truely support your cause !! But when the rest of the world is asking questions about the motives and methods doesn't it make you think ...just a little ?
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Thats a price we pay to be the best.


Best at what ?? pick up a newspaper lately ? not a local one ...check out what the rest of the world is seeing...Americans do not rule the world...they live in it ! It's nice to be proud...in fact Canadians are proud at the fact they are known to be one of the largest peacekeepers in the world...yes we are proud in the role we take in preventing war !! Is that something we need to do with might ?? I'd rather save a life than take one...and that's something to be proud about !
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I guess a bunch a dudes on horses arent much help anyhow

I realize we don't have anything near the might of the USA ...but the books you are reading are really old Seneca

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis
05-16-2004 Over year old.
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crash1953
Veteran
Location: Washington State

I agree with the canadians ,but the thing is , it took a bomb and alot of innocent people to get killed first to stop WW2 .. This is a bigger war than that .It is a religious war .. In a war like we are in now there are going to be millions of americans and people all over the world killed if we dont stop it now and do it fast .. I know that the the terroists have been killing every way they can for thousands of yrs and they have no qualms about how when and where they do it .. They are also so ingrained into the populace over there and starting to get in here ,that if we dont bite the big bullet and kill them all, no matter if some of them might be innocent we will lose and they will kill us all ... I for one would much rather see them dead than me and my family ,even if I feel bad after. At least we arent dead or worse .. If they have it ,they will use it and if the people over there are so innocent ,why dont they kill them for us ?? After all it is their country ..It is when they bring it here we have to stop it and do it now !!.
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Davo
Veteran
Location: London, UK

furiest, North Korea doesn't have any oil so why attack them?

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Nuke em and kill thousand of innocent lives or let it go on and they may crash planes into the WTC and kill thousands of innocent lives,oh wait the latter has already happend,what innocent lives do you want to spare?


Nuke em and kill millions of innocent people in the aftermath/fallout and the ensuing global war, increasing the risk of another 9/11 by at least an order of magnitude given that every survivor in the Middle East will become a suicide bomber.... or take the risk of the possibility of another 9/11, which is much less likely given the increased security measures in place.... hmmm, that's a toughy
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Davo
Veteran
Location: London, UK

What is the standpoint of the Jewish community on this? I would have thought they might have something to say about genocide, or does the Israel/Palestine situation cloud the issue? Incidentally if the US chose to make positive steps towards removing the illegal occupiers of the West Bank I think that would do a lot more for stopping another 9/11 compared to nuking the Middle East. But it would lose Bush the Jewish vote and the election.

Thermonuclear flame suit.... check
05-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Nuke them?

The original question was whether to nuke them or not? I don't think anyone doubts the virtue of finding terrorists and destroying them. Using a nuclear weapon that certainly will not kill all the terrorists while killing many, many thousands of innocents who happen to live under their tyranny, makes no sense. steve.
05-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
brooksnb
Key Veteran
Location: Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

Seneca ... Do YOU know where the terrorists are ?? if so...perhaps you need to speak to someone very high up ...ASAP !! because they are not all in Iraq..in fact I think you will find a few in your own country as well....if it was that easy then they all would be shot !!
War is never as clean and easy as you discribe...it kills...on both sides. You can kill bin laden but another will take his place...there's a world full of his type. I think it's so sad that relegion is so deeply rooted in this ...people that are so devoted to a way of thinking that we in North America and many other parts of the world will never understand. The most unfortunate part is ...we open our doors to help people from these demented countries only to learn that they want to infiltrate us into their ways of thinking !.
The best solution would be to make a top notch border security...bring in the retina screening and kick out everybody that has any type of terriost connections...watch your back closely and protect your people. If other countries want to opress good people then work with the UN...You have lost too many lives trying to help people that don't appreciate the efforts....times have changed. I don't believe for a minute it's about oil...if that were true then Canada has much more untapped oil resources than you can ever imagine...I'm sure that USA would be able to work out something that would not cost as much as one soldiers life. No...it's not oil...it's a 911 knee jerk reaction that went terribly wrong...and it's time to move on.

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis
05-17-2004 Over year old.
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Inspector Fuzz
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Location: Austin, TX. Where fat chicks succeed.

War begins at home....

First, lets be clear.. The war is with Islam.. A thousand years after the original crusades, the world is once again at a crossroads.. Live with an oppresive form of mind poison that stifles human evolution or destroy it...
The problem is, once the poison has been consumed, the only way to destroy it is to imprison or kill the "victim"..
To win this war we must first, irradicate the poison from our country.. This means either interning the victims for the for the rest of their lives in camps or sending them somewhere else.. All the mosques need to go, too.. Just as it is illegal in Germany to even attempt to publicly form a Nazi- sympathetic group, so too, here, the practice of the mind poison must be made a crime..
If we secure our borders, with troops, and search all vehicles coming in or out and severly curtail immigration our homeland will be safe..
Next, we must take the source of funding from the church of the poison mind.. Now, I don't care if we have to make a pact with Russia, China or even North Korea, but we have to take oil away from the control of the clerics and those who would be sympathetic to their cause.. Democracy WILL fail miserably in the middle east.. It won't ever work while the majority of the people are Islamic. Given control, the people will vote for their favorite cleric and we will be back where we started, once again.. However, without oil money, the various tribes over their will continue to war with each other with knives, small arms and what not.. They just won't have the capital to bring their vision of the world to civilized countries....
FLAME SUIT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JEFF
05-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
chipichape
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, Canada/Budapest, Hungary

Greetings,

Normally I do not like to get involved in such a muddy matters, but:

1. I happen to be a Christian (altought I do not practice religion) living in the Middle East for years. So far I have only positive experiences, indeed I found that most of the arabs are friendly with westerners and respect other people's religion here (far more than some people here respects theirs - and I spent almost a year in Saudi, too)

2. The war is NOT between Islam and Christianity - whoever says that simple does not know the facts.

The wast majority (let's say 95%) of the people here are peaceful - they may not like what is happening around, but they are not involved in terrorist acts in any way. The terrorist and they supporters are indeed a small minority, who try to (ab)use the religion to gain support from the religious public.

The war in Iraq is about something else - I do not want to get into that topic here, guess everyone has an opinion about it anyway.

3. Whenever I read such topics about nuking millions (or having prisoners abused, etc...), I got some unconfortable feelings. You guys - when messing with such staff - give the fire to the terrorists, who can easily refer to this afterwards seeking for support between uneducated youngsters...

4. This very last post makes me somehow remember what I studied about the nazi Germany in school - they also believed that they are better than others, they have the right to rule others and take away resources, etc... (I do not want to compare here today's USA to the nazi Germany at all - there is nothing common in this too of course).


Chip
05-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Vance
Veteran
Location: York ,PA

The USA has to be the world's babysitter because we made a pact with the aliens! If we don't do it then they will use their P-38 space modulator and the wolrd will go KABOOM!!!!!
Vince D
05-17-2004 Over year old.
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Raptor-30-V2
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Location: Norway : Sarpsborg - Hammerfest

How is going to be nuked ???

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05-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ARTF
Heliman
Location:

God Bless America - You need all the help you can get!!!!

First, lets get something clear, this is not a war about religion! The massive majority of muslims (and I know quite a few) are shocked by the actions of terrorists. However, when something bad happens there has to be a scape goat and in this case it's islam. Yes, the media may have islamic this and extremeist that, but every single story that can be linked to islamic terrorism in anyway gets shown in the media these days.

The media, now there's an interesting topic as most of it in the US is owned by a group of Bush's mates, doing there bit to help Geroge out.
It amazes me what is passed as genuine fact on channels such as Fox or other right wing channels, infact it's so bad it's actually funny to watch the hours of propaganda broadcast everyday - complete with a little warning in the corner to remind you of the "high" risk from terrorism at the moment.
They don't mention that so far this year the chance of being a victim of terrorism in the US is currently zero, as it was last year, and the year before that. And they don't have a sign saying "car accident risk high" for all those who drive.
But hey, that wouldn't have the same effect on people as being told the risk of being shot dead by an islamic terrorist with an AK-47 on your front doorstep is "high"...

After all, how on earth would George Bush get back into power if people didn't think the war on terrorism was a huge issue. Yes, brave George fighting against the evil dynasty on Bin-Laden, or business parter as he's called him on many an occation!!! Yes the Bush and Bin Ladens go back a long way, which is why Bush had all the Bin Ladens flown out on a private jet on September 12th , during the ban on flying!! The FBI weren't even allowed to interview them before they left!

Then we have the war on Iraq itself, as planned a few days after George Bush got back into power. Of course, he didn't have a reason then but when he "got wiff" of some weapons programs he knew it was his time. Sadly of course there were no nuclear weapons, or chemical weapons manufacturing plants, or that smoking gun he was going on about so much. If fact Saddam had even got rid of many of the weapons sold to him by the US! Of course by the time this came to light, the game had moved on so the Bush media machine could move on to all those terrible insurgents causing havok for the occupation...

It's interesting that so many people have voted to nuke Iraq to deal with the problem, no one has actually stopped to think of it from the other perspective... i.e. the average person in Iraq. So, lets do that, but to make it more interesting, lets do it in reverse...

Imagine if you will that WW2 went differently and that the US is no the only world super power but Germany is. Before you all get p*ssed off, it's just an example of a situation where the US isn't top dog.
Now, lets say that for the last 20 years the whole country has been run by a dictator - Dave. Everyone in the country lives in fear of the all powerful leader and everyone has a story of a friend killed one way or another by the henchmen of Dave. That's bad enough, but it's made worse as he's got full support from Germany who supply him with whatever he needs to both continue his fude with Canada and control his people as far as he wants. Bad huh?
However, in the last ten years things have got better, Germany has stopped sending supplies to Dave, infact he's starting to repel control from the superpower and treat his people with a little respect. Things are starting to look up!
Then one day a coloumn of German tanks rumbles into your town, shoots anyone who can't get out of the way, tortures a few of your friends etc. etc. It's nice that Dave's gone, but your country is now full of a foreign force you did not ask to come who seem insistant on blowing up anyone who "looks like a terrorist" (quite a few as they think everyone looks like a terrorist!). Oh, and forcing a communist style of Govt, which is against your beliefs, on you.

Do you not think that just a few Americans might object to that? Yeah, I think they would too, In the same way the Iraqi's have objected to being over run by US troops, there to "westernise" the country (by force).

Still, don't worry about this Iraq mess, as 9/10 of you have decided on the solution - nuke them.
Yes, that's right, when a small country objects to being overpowered by the US, kill it's entire 24million population with a nuke. Problem Sorted.

ARTF
05-17-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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