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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > Okay Rappy Aces......How about this Q
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Elite Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

Hi All,

Recently at my flying field, a friend of mine who owns a Raptor 30 was trying to fly around. Unfortunately, his settings, both on the heli and his radio, were off.

I went ahead and helped set up the heli and radio for his type of flying. He is basically a novice trying out FF. He asked me to set-up Idle Up 1 for him and I reluctantly did. I decided to nullify the switch so that he does not accidently hit it.

To make a long story short.....I took it up for him and the heli was flying pretty well. He asked me to try the Idle Up. After activating the switch, I proceeded to fly around. She sure sounded sweet! My concern was when the heli landed (still in Idle Up) and when I brought the throttle stick to the low position, the heli's main baldes began to violently flap up and down almost causing the heli to tip over. Talk about a serious situation of going out of track!!

My question is, what could have caused this? I immedaitely switched to Normal Flight mode and she settled down. Is this a normal thing with the Raptors? I use to own a Raptor with a O.S. .50 (before TT came out with the 50 kits) and my heli flew fine.

Any ideas??

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rcpilotsteve
Senior Heliman
Location: BC Canada

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05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Ray, that helicopter is suffering from the "Woof & Poof" syndrone. Fortunatly, there was no poof (inflight boomstrike). There is tons of info on this. Search the archives of this and other forums. The Raptor list would be a good place to start.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Elite Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

Thanks Al. Just need to find out what's going on with my friend's heli.

rcpilotsteve........LOL

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

You were applying a heavy load and a lot of power while the heli was on the ground, similar to using a "run up stand". This situation captures all the vibration and a resonance can build up. I recommend landing, hitting throttle hold then bringing the stick down and shutting off idle up.

So what I am saying is that it is possible that nothing is fundamentally wrong with the heli, rather it just started to shake violently due to the fact that the vibration had nowhere to go. You might say, gee I do this with my 60 all the time, but in the case of run up stands where you are basically doing it the same way but with the forces reversed, it can be done many times before the one time it goes unstable and blows up. We had a guy put his Freya on a run up stand, and the resulting shake actually bent his main shaft. These guys like to walk under the stand and adjust the needles for temp optimization. With a 30 you might get away with it more, but gosh this is a really dangerous thing to do, especially without a major helmet on your nogen.

In your case, if the blade grips weren't real tight, it might have gone into an unbalance more easily. Bottom line, IMHO, once on or close to the ground hit throttle hold or switch idle up off before bringing the stick down.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
heliman41
Key Veteran
Location: Valparaiso IN. USA

I agree with Stet, the Rappy isnt a tight all metal design made to absorb that kind of static abuse, slow it down in normal and it wont act up anymore. Why would one want to land in idleup anyway?
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Stet and Heliman, I agree also. A tight Raptor will resist the W&P's. Also, seems to do it more with the stock woodies. Ray, check the covering on the woodies, loose covering has also been an issue. I've always flown SAB glass blades. Built a really tight helicopter, and maintain it tight. Never had the problem. Doesn't mean I won't have it next time out. I'm keepin' my blades crossed! (or is that fingers crossed?)
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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