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e-Mikado Logo 400 500 600 > Newbie SetUp Help With Logo 10 -HELP!
 
 
snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

I have my logo 10 built acording to the book, everything seems fine.
During my test spinups, the tail wants to spin hard to the right.
No matter how much left trim I give, it still wants to spin completely to the right.
No way to control it.
Tail Slider and servo horn are at 90degrees

Set up is :
aveox - 36/30/1.5
Future 18.46K
GY240 ( HS-81)
HS-85
12cell -NimH

Any suggestions?
04-30-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Yup. Make sure your gyro sense isn't reversed.

Rob
04-30-2004 Over year old.
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snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

Tried reversing the gyro and no effect.
04-30-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

If you are an experienced pilot and know what you are doing perhaps you just have a faulty gyro or servo. If not...

Are you in HH mode?

Do you have Revo on or off?

Is your gyro mounted with its axis of sensitivity parallel to the rotor shaft?

Rob
04-30-2004 Over year old.
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snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

I've tried both modes on the gyro.
Revo = Off
Gyro is mounted correctly.
05-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

Are you tail blades spinning in the right direction? Maybe your belt is hooked up the wrong way? Don't know what else it could be if it isn't that? Maybe you need to reverse your rudder servo?

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
05-01-2004 Over year old.
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rchaas
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, OK

There are two sense or direction issues to check. Both were mentioned in separate posts, above. However, I thought i'd mention how to check both of these. If you are experienced, and have already done this, then sorry for being simplistic.

First, you need to make sure that a rightward rudder stick input gives a rightward tail blade deflection. There are a variety of ways to look at the tail, but what i do is put the tail blades vertical, and look at the forward (trailing) edge of the upward pointing blade. The forward edge of that blade should deflect in the same direction as the stick deflection. If not, then you need to reverse the rudder channel.

The other thing to check is gyro sense. With the heli and receiver turned on (and gyro connected), rotate the heli rightward. Does the tail respond with a leftward tail blade input? If not, then you need to reverse the gyro sense direction.

If both rudder and gyro sense are correct, the problem lies elsewhere. These are the first things to check, however. And of course, as the previous post suggests, the tail needs to be spinning in the correct direction before you check anything else.

Robbie
05-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
EvoFlyer
Heliman
Location: Newbury Park, CA

Make sure you have the tail blades on right. The ball link must lead. The leading edge of the tail blade toward the ball link. Look at the pictures in the manual carefully.
05-01-2004 Over year old.
 
 
snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

Thanks for all the suggestions.
I've eliminated all the above and found teh problem to be the tail rotor NOT getting enough pitch control.
Servo (HS-81) travel, seems to be working fine.
Servo arm and tail rotor lever are at 90.
I almost got it up to a hover, but it was too unstable as it kept turning right again.
The tail rotor linkage seem OK, but I'm not really sure.
The manual doesn't have any measurements to follow.

Need more Suggestions!
Thanks
05-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

I would use a regular size rudder servo or at least a 20mm servo arm if your not getting enough tail blade movement.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick

MA Fury Extreme,YS 91,MPII,V-Blades,601
Raptor 50 SE,OS50 Hyper,MPII,QUK Head,TT600 Blades,601
05-02-2004 Over year old.
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Davo
Veteran
Location: London, UK

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During my test spinups, the tail wants to spin hard to the right.
No matter how much left trim I give, it still wants to spin completely to the right.


If the tail is spinning to the right (i.e. nose goes left) you want to input RIGHT trim, not left. Remember you are steering the nose, not the tail.

Also what is your headspeed like? If it's too low, then the tail will not have much authority and may max out on pitch without giving sufficient anti-torque to stop the heli rotating. Maybe consider upping the headspeed (increase throttle curve points/decrease pitch curve points) and see what happens.

05-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
rscamp
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Good idea about the servo arm length, Patrick. The guidelines for arm length are in the manual.

Good thought on the headspeed, Davo. He "should" have enough headspeed with that setup. I suppose the governor could be set too low.

It is hard to diagnose at a distance. I'm sure we'll slap our foreheads when we figure this one out.

Rob
05-02-2004 Over year old.
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snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

I truly believe the head speed is enough.
The problem is when I increase the speed it want to sping left, too quickly, so I can't keep increasing the speed.

Yes, I realize which way to add trim, but it's having no effect on controling the tail spining around.
Just as adding full right, does not correct it
05-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

I tried a bench test and watched what's happening to the tail blades.
When I initialize the system, I see the tail rod pushes the rotor lever all the way to its end point. And stays there.
It doesn't center.
If you give left or right it goes in each direction, but not a lot.
This is the problem.
05-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDezz
Heliman
Location: Fredrick MD

Sounds like the gyro is bad or the servos is no good.

Could be alot of things making it do that.
When the gyro is in HH it will stay in one spot but will move left and right.
Also the Servo horn mite not be in center.

HeliDezz
05-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

> Also the Servo horn mite not be in center.

HeliDezz may have it here. Put the gyro in rate mode and make sure the servo arm is centered with the rudder stick centered. You will also need to properly set the Limit pot as well once you get it centered correctly.

- John
05-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
snsn
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ

Well, I've got it straghtened out.
But I'm not sure how.
Tail is very solid now.
I also had the LHS trim it out.

I had a test hover and it was very nice.
Thanks for all you help!
05-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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