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Beginners Corner > Nose in come hell or high hover
 
 
Chris Hinds
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Today while practising nose in hover I managed to wreck a set of main blades by digging the tips into the dirt No other damage. So tonight I have been practising in RFG2 for a couple of hours my hover in all angles apart from tail in. Thing I find is that I can't do it too well with RFG2 wind turned on - I just can't react like I do normally. I have quite got the hang of compensating for the wind while hovering but on G2 I just can't get it. Is my nose in practice on G2 gonna be helpful to me next time out? Should I put my training balls back on?

Also are aerobatics easier on G2 than with a real heli, or easier on the field? I have done some fairly good stall turns and loops on G2 with the Impala (tuned to behave like my heli)

Any input from experts and similarly novices?

Thanks


Chris
05-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

When I was doing it I found slow (small) circles in front of me helped me maintain orientation and allow a quick bailout (up)
05-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Chris Hinds
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland

Cheers Doug! I'll give the circles a try this Sunday Can't wait till I can say I am a proper helicopter pilot who can fly without training aids... look out Curtis - I'm on me way

Chris
05-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
jrice45516
Heliman
Location: SoCal

Check out this thread:
Nose in is killing me

Dances With Woofs
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rcpilotsteve
Senior Heliman
Location: BC Canada

Well, at least you know what nose in is. I tried for weeks on the sim trying to hover with my nose pointing down
but I'm feeling much better now
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05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JEFF_SE
Heliman
Location: Pittsburgh PA

Sim and "new Stuff"

Chris, be patient you will get the hang of it. Right now, your hands just do not have the 'stick sense' to keep the machine steady in a nose in hover. You are re-learning how to hover... so be sure to spin it back around to tail in so that you do not un-learn how to do that.

The SIM is a great tool for training your hands how to respond to new flight orientations. A crash is repaired in seconds, and you get to try again. Properly set up, the SIM can behave very much like a 'real' RC heli. Close, but not exact. Do your best to set up the SIM to match your 'real' heli. Yes, you can learn the new stuff on a really fast heli, but then you will feel like your flying a slug at the RC field (That can really mess you up). The SIM also tends to make you fly much too close to yourself.

Balance what you do on the SIM, it is very easy to un-learn what you know by focusing for hours/days or weeks on stuff you would never dream of doing with your machine at the field. So far your doing it right, try it on the sim, and then do it at the field.

JEFF_SE
05-08-2002 Over year old.
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321
Senior Heliman
Location: FL
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

Nose In?

I'm just practicing nose in now. I did about 2 hrs on G-2 and I'm finding nose in fairly easy on my R-22. I'm happy at about 10 ft. altitude, I feel more comfortable having some distance between the ground and heli. That way I always have time to bail if I need to. Some people are more comfortable close to the ground,but to me that leaves nowhere to go, if you give the wrong correction and panic sometimes you can tip the heli over. Just do what you are comfortable with.
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

Here's something I do to help learn orientation on the flight sim, I put in a small amount of rudder trim so the heli piro's at a slow rate. I then fly the right stick only to keep the heli level, after getting comfortable with both directions I then work on flying around locked in a slow piro. The reason I do this is because when I first learned nose I found that once I had the heli's nose pointed at me I was fine it was the transition from tail in to nose in that caused my heart to stop.

[b]Bill[/b]
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

I learned nose in by flying 45 degree figure 8's so that the center was crossing in front of me and the outsides were turns away from the flight line. This way you aren't quite nose in at any point. As I got more comfortable with this flight pattern, I would make the center of the 8 turn more nose in and fly it even slower. Eventually I would pause at a nose in hover in the middle of the 8 until I felt uncomfortable, then I would just continue with my pattern. It wasn't but a few tanks like this and I was adding a landing and take off in the middle of the 8.

I found this to be more entertaining than putting that darn gear back on.

The sim will definately help you get your reactions working properly. I found that the hardest part is trusing what you learn. I always end up thinking to much at the field. That darn pucker factor will do it every time.

Have fun, and keep the oily side down,... or is that up? I don't remember, Oh well, either way, have fun and burn more fuel.
Mal'
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
EChapkis
Veteran
Location: Tampa, FL

Nose in

Can you do forward flight? If so, flying a circut and slowing doen while nose in, and then to a stop and hover up high, nose in. Part of hovering low nose in is ground effect. Hovering over 5 feet should eliminate ground effect.

Once your ok at say 50', start bringing it down. I did this over a 3 day weekend and finally nose in landing and take off's. Anothr good suggestion is to keep it out about 50' or so. If your nervous or get into trouble you can fly out forward with power if your not too close in.

Another suggestion is to do the nose in into the wind, it will help stabalize the heli. I use a Futaba 502 HH gyro and even cross wind isn't an issue nose in. If your not using a strong HH gyro, definetly keep the nose into the wind.

I still practice nose in and sideway hovers. Piro 1/4 turn at a time. I do this about 20' up and out. Keeps a very good viewpoint of the heli.

I find Real Flight to be a great tool. On RF, I increase the size of the heli to about 200%, makes it easier to see.

Evan Chapkis Tampa, Florida
05-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

Something I found with the G2 sim
I am pretty good on the sim with Hover, Forward Flight, Fair with Nose in and even some inverted nose in Hover.
The funny thing I found was this
I would Practice for an Hour or so in say , Inverted Nose in Hover.
Then I would go fly around and Found that My standard tail in Hover was wacky
My brain couldn't turn off the inverted thought.
You need to mix it up. Or at least I do.
I sit in front of me and Hover a little, tail in , then to side , then the other side, and nose in.
Tryin to get full control before I change to the next position.
Seems to work for me.
If you work to hard on one thing you will stick there.
Like when your mom would tell you your face would stay like that when makin a face at her.
Tom
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

That is what everyone finds out when they switch from inverted.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
bstrap
Heliman
Location: Bristol,TN

I make little memory games to help me maintain orientation while I am nose-in. I just think push the stick the direction the heli's movin when nose-in. For tail I think fly the far side, inverted fly the near side. It works for me.

05-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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