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HM16 Seahawk
Senior Heliman
Location: Fenton, Michigan - USA

Just curious, what is the largest photo any of you have had printed and what resolution camera you used (that looks decent).

Anyone have any opinions on the new 8mp cameras released in the last week? http://www.dpreview.com/ For aerial, especially large prints, 16x20 to 20x30, anyone know what produces a better photo, more megapixals or higher quality lens on SLR with less MP?
04-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Flying Scot
Heliman
Location: Scotland

Hi Seahawk,

I have been using the Canon Pro1 for the last few weeks and I have been very happy with the results.
There has been a lot of negative comments in the forums on dpreview such as slow auto focus etc.
As we mostly use these camera's in manual focus and set the shutter speed these problems dont really apply to us.
The main proble is noise at ISO 200 and above. I set mine to ISO 100.

I have just had some prints at 30" * 20" and the results are very good.

Cheers

Arthur
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Angelos
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Location: nr Oxford, OX11, UK

Yes, I wouldn’t go higher than ISO 100 either. The noise is really obvious at ISO400. I had good results with Canon Powershot G3 and G5 with manual focus and manual shutter speed. They both make nice prints even at A3 size. If I was taking photos professionally I would possibly consider a camera with a slightly larger lens so that I can keep the shutter speed at 1/500 even on cloudy days. Currently I may have to go slower than 1/500 when the day is dark.

-Angelos
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Brett Horton
Key Veteran
Location: ---------

I printed a Pic I did about six months ago at 30" x 45", looked good, sony dsc-v1 5 meg camera, 1/600.
Thanks,
Brett Horton
www.copterviews.com
04-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
HM16 Seahawk
Senior Heliman
Location: Fenton, Michigan - USA

answer to my own question:
Someone else asked the same question on a photo forum, the answer:

"The first question is, do you really need 8mp's? unless you need huge prints you probably don't. Something to remember is that mp's dont necessarily mean quality. If you compare some 8mp cameras, say the Nikon 8700 and the Sony 818, to that of the 6mp Canon rebel you will find that the rebels picture quality is superior to both these ...especially in the noise department.

DSLR's have many advantages over these proconsumer camers such as faster times, longer batter life and the ability to change lens to suit you needs."



Another person said that selecting a digital camera based strictly on MPs is like selecting a care based on top speed.
04-22-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gpyros
Key Veteran
Location: On a beach in Mexico

Oh, man, here we go! One of my favorite subjects filled with misinformation, megapixels on digital cameras!

The number of megapixels aren't nearly as important as you might think! It is what is ON each pixel that matters! Yes, quality, not quantity!

I've regularly had images printed at 30" x 45", and also full bleed in magazines like "Sky and Telescope" which are known for their print quality. This with an old (4 years old in the digital camera relm is a REALLY old camera!) 2000 x 1312 pixel camera, which is only a 2-1/2 megapixel system!!!

What? How did he do that? No way! Impossible!

Yes. But what is on each pixel? Let's start with the lens - the MOST critical part of the system. I use Nikon AFS zoom lenses, 2.8 end to end on a 85 to 200mm zoom. Incredible glass, around $2k for the lens alone. The haze filter on the end is a "B+W" out of Germany, which adds a few hundred dollars - but what you get with a cheap generic filter is a little distortion and a little wavyness in the glass, which adds up to losing a bit of quality on each pixel. Why get a good lens if you are going to add blur before the light even gets to it?

The camera? A Nikon D-1. Not your usual bit depth of 8-bits per color, but 12-bits per. What does that do? Well, it allows me to process in Photoshop at 16 bit depth and pull out all sorts of things from the shadows and highlights that you normally lose with a typical system.

Don't save out of the camera in any compressed mode if you want to keep the quality - JPG is a lossy compression scheme!!! If you take a JPG image into your iimage editing program and do nothing more than save it again, then call up the saved image and save it again, it starts looking like a copy of a copy of a copy - and you haven't even done anything with it!!!!!! Always save in a lossless mode - TGA, TIF, whatever while you are working on it and save your master that way, then just drop down to JPG for web display or to send to your mother on the internet. That will keep the quality as high as possible if you want to do anything with it in the future.

OK, so your camera will only save JPG, what can you do? Start by making sure it is the highest quality JPG that the camera will save, most have a setting for this. If the camera has an option to 'sharpen' the image, turn it off, or all the way down. This is critical!

As soon as you get it to your computer, save it in a lossless format, at least you won't be losing any more quality than you have to, and work on it from there. Make it larger or smaller, adjust the contrast, whatever. As the LAST step, go into your editing program and add a little sharpening (in stock Photoshop use the Unsharp Mask function). This is after you have everything else done! And don't oversharpen, what will happen if you do is that you will get little halos at the edges between colors and all your work so far is wasted!

Whew, I'm glad I got that out of my system, I feel better now.

As an aside, what we use for feature film work is not 24-bit color, (32 with an alpha channel) but uncompressed 64 bit images - 48 bits for color and 16 for alpha (overlay)!!! Overkill? Not at all, with 24 bits of color you can see banding on a 50' screen (now that's enlarging!) but with 48 bits (remember that isn't just double, it is exponential!) you can't.

But here's a surprise - when doing effects work, film is routinely scanned at 2k - yes, only 2048 pixels across, for that 2-1/2 megapixel quality! But each frame is saved in a lossless format (Cineon, if you care) at 64 bit depth, giving you a 14 meg file - multiply that out by 24 frames per second and see how much storage you need per shot! Considering you will often have 5 to 10 layers for each frame. Good thing big RAID disks are getting cheaper...

Greg Pyros
Visual Effects Supervisor
Pyros Pictures, Inc.
www.pyros.com

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jeffscholl
Key Veteran
Location: Whitefish, MT

I had a friend print this as a 12 x 18 for a photo contest:


I believe he used 360dpi for the printer.

Cheers,
Jeff
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gpyros
Key Veteran
Location: On a beach in Mexico

I hope you won - I remember seeing that on your web site or posted here (or maybe both!) and loving it!

Greg

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jeffscholl
Key Veteran
Location: Whitefish, MT

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the kind words!

No prize, but it did come back with a star on it :-)
(whatever that means??)

Cheers,
Jeff
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