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Main Discussion > TREX 600N or 600E?
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

Never ending battle electric or nitro just fly what you like and be done with it. For me electric is a waste of time money and space. As far as nitro I will always have a nitro bird but am going to go gas very soon. As far as costs e power is more costly all the way around.
04-23-2008 02:34 PM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

I had this same question not to long ago and decided to go nitro because for as much flying as I like to do electric is way to expensive. To keep my flying for about an hour strait I would need 5 packs and a very expensive charger not to mention a battery to power it all at the field. The cost of the batteries alone is equal to the price of my nitro setup plus a couple gallons of fuel.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
04-23-2008 02:42 PM
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hampilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Reno, NV, USA

get both, make the wife happy!

Parts, the're everywhere!
04-23-2008 02:50 PM
 
 
holzback
Senior Heliman
Location: Terre Haute IN United States

i had a 600 nitro and sold it to go with the 600e. that was a horrible choice. the only thing good of it is now i have sold all my e stuff and a xtreme is on the way.
for 3d, mainly things like tic tocs and manuvers that require lots of power, 6s dose not cut it. it is way to hard on the batts. i had 5 packs, and i was still waiting most of the day instead of flying. so buy more pacs right, well when i had money to buy more packs the ones i had were failing, so i either could sell out or spend 300-600$ just to get back the packs i lost. 8s is really the best way, but 500$ for a motor and esc is to much, not to include that the batts are up there in price also. yes batts are getting cheaper, but they are still going to linger around 250$. new technology is coming, but when new technology comes out it is pretty pricey. you may have to find out the hard way, i soon realized that all the bs with nitro is well worth it. usally the bs with nitro is tinkering around with it, usually the bs with e's are buying new batteries.
04-23-2008 04:39 PM
 
 
snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

id have to say right now nitro is the way to go. the battery tech is not totally up to par. Im one who is always pushing my limits so crashing is usually just part of the curve. I cant justify having 300 bucks plus hanging out the fron of my heli. With a nitro worst case is the cost of a kit and maybe few odds and ends. A bad crash on an e-heli and your out 300 bucks + before you even get into the repair of the heli.
Plus short flight times, long charge times.... maybe in another 10 years.

Support your local hobby shop
04-23-2008 05:06 PM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Elgreco

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PS. batteries have gone down. I don't know why people keep bringing up those 300 dollar values.

This is why we keep saying 300 a pack:

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...=FPEVO255000_6S

I work every once in a while at a LHS...And I hang out there 2-3 days a week . The average price of a 6S pack is 300.00 bucks.

Average price of a gallon of fuel there is about 21.00 bucks for 30%.

But really, like most have said it depends on what you want.
04-23-2008 06:10 PM
 
 
Jujiro
Senior Heliman
Location: Jennings, Louisiana- USA

Wow I think I'll just stay with hurricane 550,Trex 450 and 500 sized electrics. Since the size it right around what I want and like to fly and prices for batteries won't break my bank @_@ .

I thought about nitros but they produce to much noise for where I fly and I don't fly all day long. Instead I do like 3-4 flights a day at random times during the day. So I think an electric works best for my kind of set up .
04-23-2008 06:24 PM
 
 
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jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

I have one of each and enjoy both.

There are other considerations you should keep in mind:

1-you will need a lot of field equipment for the E as well, such as chargers and generators
2-setting up needles on a Nitro is a hassle and needs constant reviewing
3-the crash cost on an electric could double the same crash on a nitro
4-you can fly your electric in places where you could not fly your nitro
5-cleaning up a nitro helicopter is actually a good practice as it helps to pinpoint possible future issues
6-life expectancy of an Align brushless motor is poor
7-life expectancy of OS bearings is poor
8-recharging batteries from one flying day to the next may not be able to be accomplished in one night
9-setting up a governor on a nitro could be a hassle
10-you will need to constantly remember to lub the shafts on your electric

just my 10 cents...



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
04-23-2008 06:54 PM
 
 
heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

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Well, as I said before, look who is supporting nitros. All senior helismen and veterans.....


I've been flying for only about 2 years or so, and am only 18. I started with electrics (blade's and t-rex 450's) then stepped up to nitro's.

As for people being able to say you can fly an electric where ever, take a look at this post :http://runryder.com/helicopter/t393746p1/

Just because it is electric doesn't make it any safer to fly in a park, than a nitro would be, and both attract a decent amount of attention.

As for noise, electrics aren't dead silent. They are still pretty loud, maybe not as loud as a nitro, but you can't hear a pin drop when they are flying.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.
04-23-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
FlynHeli
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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This is why we keep saying 300 a pack:

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...=FPEVO255000_6S

I work every once in a while at a LHS...And I hang out there 2-3 days a week . The average price of a 6S pack is 300.00 bucks.

Average price of a gallon of fuel there is about 21.00 bucks for 30%.

But really, like most have said it depends on what you want

check align or kong batteries, and I don't care what anyone else says,

GET BOTH

Money conquers patience, If you have money you don't have to wait!
04-23-2008 07:43 PM
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jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

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As for people being able to say you can fly an electric where ever...

I didn't say that. We have several clubs here which are electric only.



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
04-23-2008 07:55 PM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

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check align or kong batteries

You could put a TT.50 in a Heli that would cost 150.00, or you could put a Hyper, Redline or YS for 200-220. The extra 50-70 bucks for the Hyper/YS/Redline worth it. Same with EVO battery's IMO.

I can tell you that the sales of 600E's around here has all but dropped once the 500's came out due to the reduced cost of the batteries and longer flight times.

The point is that both types have their place. And it is up to each pilot to make the choice for themselves. I have made *my* choice and until I either get a battery sponsorship, or the price drops dramatically...I will be flying nitro.
04-23-2008 08:45 PM
 
 
holzback
Senior Heliman
Location: Terre Haute IN United States

when you buy fuel it is 25 bucks a pop, but when you need a new batt all the sudden you have to caugh up 300$. if batts lasted like they claim then thats one, but when they are going bad after 50-80 charges that horrible. thats 6$ a flight in some cases.
04-23-2008 09:16 PM
 
 
jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

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that horrible

Not even speaking about crashing them!



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
04-23-2008 09:30 PM
 
 
Lota Fun R
Senior Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

"The point is that both types have their place. And it is up to each pilot to make the choice for themselves."

This keeps being repeated.

I think the intent of the thread was so he could make a decision based on others experiences and prefferences, I'm sure he'll find somebody he can relate to and go from there.

When I first started flying heli's I just flew over at the local (EMPTY) parking lot flying a 400 size E Heli. That was fine for then, even flew the 450 there a few times. (I don't recommend doing this)
But as things progressed I realized going to an AMA approved field was the best choice for many reasons and most flying fields are nitro friendly fields. The E only field I've seen, AP in so cal, is used for other events, soccer etc. and the RC takes a back seat to everyone else. It is the only Electric only field I know of in So Cal, I'm sure there are more but the point is that any field I go to is nitro friendly and I'm not limited to what I can fly.

Learning how to tune a Nitro engine doesn't take long and it's by far worth it IMHO. Plus carb smart is taking all the fiddling and engine temp checks out of the equation. I've double checked it as far as temps and they are good, so I just fly it and make sure the servo is doing it's thing and it just keeps on rockin.

Enjoy your new Heli.
04-23-2008 11:55 PM
 
 
mchammer
Senior Heliman
Location: California,USA

get them both and dont look back!

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!
04-24-2008 12:26 AM
 
 
Charlie R
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette Ca

NITRO!
04-24-2008 12:30 AM
 
 
TipSpeed
Senior Heliman
Location: Glenside / Telford PA

One more vote for NITRO!

-so I called up twenty mike-mike and I rolled in for the pass
04-24-2008 12:32 AM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

vote for electric and I'll give the facts. You can't judge only by lipos and their price.

I say that only cause of the new batt technology A123. For a 50 size electric a 10S to 14S batt set up cost from $140 to $200 and will last many times over lipo, much safer, and can fast charge at 10C(you can charge a 10 to 14 cell pack in 15 to 20 mins with no cool down period). Not to mention they are individual normal type cylindrical cells unlike lipos which are very long and in what looks like aluminum foil.

So, lets say you do crash and damge a cell or two, per cell of A123 is $15, so its not like you can trash a whole pack and break every single cell(especially like in my logo where most of the battery is protected by the frame.) Not to mention a nitro motor can not match the instant torque and power of electric.

I didn't like electric because of lipos (too many disadvantges cost, life cycles, fragile, volatile) but the new batt A123 technology got me on board. Its only a matter of time before 10+ min flight times and $100 batteries(although guys can get batteries from a Dewalt batt that has 10 - A123 batts for $100 used already). After 80 flights or less and electric is paying for iteself where nitro you need to go out and get more cases of fuel. The lack of mess is a plus, anyone who does 3D knows a heli gets covered in oily residue from top to bottom. No more going out for a hour lunch break to catch a flight or two and get nice work clothes dirty anymore. Definitely a quick set up and the advantages are growing all time. Really is cool

Chris
Rex 500
Burning them electrons :D

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
04-24-2008 01:03 AM
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Carey
Senior Heliman
Location: Allentown, NJ

Anything over a 500 electric is run by an e-zealot.

Anything under a 30 is run by a nitro zealot.

Besides the pros and cons, I like engines, I like the smoke, and I like the SPOOKY part of the nitro.

A top name pilot has a 14s eRazor 50 and doesnt fly it hardly ever. Why? He says.. well it's electric.

Just missing something in my opinion, the electrics. More spooky please.
04-24-2008 02:17 AM
 
 
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